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Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs
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In real Star Trek though, all of those fandom ships wouldn't be considered different classes.

The Excelsior refit isn't considered a new class, nor are the Mirandas.

And besides, I don't see any difference between the Tikopai and the "Enterprise" class. And don't say "The torpedo launcher is angled 0.0023 degrees higher than in the Tikopai"

If I were to show you a picture of my hand, chew off my nail, and show you a picture of that, it's not a different hand.

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The deflector assembly, the sensor dome, and the upper section of the saucer are a bit different, but that isn't nearly enough to justify any name change. They would both be upgraded Constitutions.

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Starbuck
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Well I for one like the class/subclass idea.
Apparently there is a scene in STVI where this is supported by some blueprints Scotty is reading?
So for example, you could have Constitution class and Enterprise, Tikopai and America sub-classes... since the differences are noticeable but the basic spaceframe is the same.

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Bernd
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Timo: Actually much more was changed on the Constitution. The saucer diameter was extended by a couple of meters, the secondary hull has a different shape. I tried to match the old and the new version, but they don't correspond. Furthermore, the neck length is not the same.

Obviously the new Enterprise was supposed to look only reminiscent of the old one, although the movie suggests it is still the same ship. If they didn't state that the ship had been refurbished, I would assume it was completely new.

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There's no canonical reference to the class/subclass idea, but I like it as well. In reality, I would expect that if enough modifications were made to certain members of a class, they would be designated as a subclass to differentiate them from the originals. Thus, the different variations of Miranda class ships may be subclasses.

In tech fandom, the TOS Enterprise was Constitution class but Bonhomme Richard subclass. The original Constitution class ship was the one Pike commanded, as well as the one Kirk first commanded in "Where No Man Has Gone Before". It's postulated that the changes in the model used for the first season of the show can be explained by an upgrade to Bonhomme Richard specs. By the third season, the ship had been upgraded once again, to Achernar specs.

The TOS Tech Manual isn't considered canon by most, but it also refers to subclasses. Bonhomme Richard, Achernar, Tikopai... they're all listed under Constitution class, but they are each the class ships of Constitution subclasses.

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