Alpha Centauri
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As my personal ship list continues to evolve, I have to bother you all with a request. Can anyone post a list of all known ship masses (in metric tons) ? At least I have Ambassador (TNG:TM), Galaxy (TNG:TM) and Intrepid ("Caretaker" [VOY]). Hope you can help.
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From the DS9 Tech Manual (SHUT UP!! Heh...):
Nebula: 3.309 million metric tonnes Excelsior: 2.35 million metric tonnes Defiant: 355,000 metric tonnes Akira: 3.055 million metric tonnes Miranda: 655,000 metric tonnes Norway: 622,000 metric tonnes Saber: 310,000 metric tonnes Centaur-type: 870,000 metric tonnes "Shelley"-type: 1.27 million metric tonnes Yeager: 550,000 metric tonnes Intrepid/Constitution-type: 1.3 million metric tonnes Excelsior-type w/ 3 nacelles: 660,000 metric tonnes Constitution-type that looks like a destroyer: 650,000 metric tonnes
Oddly enough, no mass is given for the Danube-class. Fandom reports that the Constitution-class is 190,000 metric tonnes, but discussions over on RAST have indicated that a line in TOS stated Enterprise as being "nearly a million tons;" this works out right with the Excelsior-class.
Intrepid is on-screen reference ("Caretaker" [VOY]), Sovereign from an old thread in this forum, Ambassador/Galaxy/shuttles/Sphinx from TNG:TM, and Kobayashi Maru from a screen in ST2.
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quote:Ah... the Saladin, Hermes, Ptolemy and Federation... The "canon" Franz Joseph designs!
There's absolutely nothing canon about them.
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Well, actually two of the FJ designs are canon (I think they were the Hermes and Ptolemy, but don't hold me to it). They were on displays in, IIRC, ST2.
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Shik
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I can see a Sovereign being less than an Ambassador..materials reduction has a hell of an effect. Hell, I bet Galaxys aren't even 4.96 million metric tonnes anymore; for years, I've been saying that newer models in "my" universe are between 3.85 & 4.08 million metrice tonnes through materials improvement.
There's also a lot less volume in a Sovereign than an Ambassador, even taking into account the longer nacelles (& thus more coils, weighing more overall) on the former class. The 3.205 million-metric-ton figure comes from the SciPubTech poster & provides a nice low-end possible figure; I'd venture to say that the absolute upper limit would be 3.88 million metric tonnes. These figures are based on nothing more than mental comparison, zero math, & a sh*tslinging ability honed by 2 years of politcal campaign work.
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Alpha Centauri
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Of course FJ's designs are non-canon. But at least Saladin, Hermes, Ptolemy, Federation and Cygnus have a little connection with canon.
The USS Entente NCC-2120 (not 2100, Fitz ), USS Revere NCC-595 and USS Columbia NCC-621 were mentioned in radio chatter in ST:TMP. The ships were all three taken from the Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph, which identified these ships as Federation class dreadnought, Hermes class scout and Cygnus class scout. No class names were, however, mentioned on screen.
FJ's Saladin class destroyer and Ptolemy class transport/tug schematics could be glimpsed on some computer screen in ST2. I wasn't able to tell, but I recently found it on the website of pIna'Sov.
And for the Galaxy/Ambassador/Sovereign masses... The Galaxy mass was directly mentioned on page 57 from the TNG:TM, and the Ambassador mass on page 75. I take the SciPubTech mass for granted, as no canon figure is known yet. Still, I think there's no objection against these three figures. Taking Shik's very logical theory in account, the three numbers are just fine to me.
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Was it the Saladin and Ptolemy that were on the displays? Okay, then those are the designs that are canon. As for the Revere, Columbia, and Entente, their classes can't be considered canon any more than if some episode/movie mentioned a Defiant-class USS Monitor and we assumed it was painted black like the one in The Return. You can only take as canon what's actually on screen, not fandom stuff that happens to relate to it.
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Well, actually, I don't believe the names Ptolemy and Saladin would be canon, since they were not on the screens (I don't think).
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