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MinutiaeMan
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Maybe Picard's model is made of wood? That could explain the yellowish color...

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Re: Resurrecting old threads:
Someone once said that time was a predator that stalks us all our lives. ;-)

And the MM toy is definetely no aged plastic. It was sold that way on purpose. (Whatever the purpose).

I'd say Picard just liked his model that way. We should be glad it's not lime-green or pink, shouldn't we?

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That ship is not the Stargazer, it has NCC-7100 on it and no name. Maybe its the first ship he was on or his last command before the Enterprise-D. As for the colour, its probably just unfinished.

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PsyLiam
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Oh, come on. It is obviously the Stargazer. It has the 7100 registry on it because

a/ It was built before the "real" Stargazer was built (although the model makers intended all along for it to be the Stargazer design, and Paramount, although the almost went with the refit constitution design, eventually changed their minds).

b/ It is partially contructed using bits from a couple of AMT movie Enterprise models. Look at the engines. They are the same, no? Therefore, it has 7100 because they just used the decal sheet from those models.

c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?

Honestly. You'll quite happily buy that Riker's an idiot who said a completely wrong registry number for the Yamoto, but the idea that a tiny little model represents something other than the Stargazer because a tiny little registy decal is different?

Although I always found it interesting that for the one episode where Picard sees the Stargazer, he has a refit contitution model in his ready room. Tsk. Yes, I know why it was there. Don't tell me. (I wonder, if they had gone with using the Enterprise-A model, would that refit constitution model have stayed for subsequent episodes?)

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quote:
c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?

In "Who Watches the Watchers?"

Frank has a good picture on his site

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I believe it is obviously supposed to be the Stargazer. The decal sheet explanation for the model registry is likely true. It is probably painted yellowish so as to show up better on screen.

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Actually, I don't accept that Riker was an idiot and said the wrong registry for the Yamato. :-)

I'm thinking Picard simply bought that model at a rummage sale, or something, and didn't change the registry on it.

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Maybe the rearranged decals are an homage to the rearranged decals from the earlier AMT kit used in the "The Doomsday Machine." Wasn't that ship also called "Constellation"?

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Yes. But this model existed before the class was called "Constellation". They only did that so they could dub over where people said "Constitution" in "The Battle" (it was filmed that way, then they decided to use a different ship).

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Aban Rune
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You're saying that the model for what would eventually be called the Constellation class was built even though they were planning on using a Constitution class for the Stargazer?

I don't believe that's right. The way I heard it, they filmed the dialouge using "Connie" and planned to use a Connie for the Stargazer, but when they got to post production, they decided to build a new class and thus the Constellation Class was born. THEN the model was created for it and THEN the desk model started showing up in Picard's ready room.

Did I get something wrong?

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I thought that they were, ship models, were given to the Captains by the crews of those vessels. Plated in gold or silver, depending on how the crews felt...

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"The way I heard it, they filmed the dialouge using "Connie" and planned to use a Connie for the Stargazer, but when they got to post production, they decided to build a new class and thus the Constellation Class was born. THEN the model was created for it and THEN the desk model started showing up in Picard's ready room.
Did I get something wrong?"

Yes.

The Stargazer model was in Picard's ready room from Encounter at Farpoint. The only episode it isn't there is "The Battle", because Greg Jein had nicked it as a study aid while he built the full size model. Sternbach and Okuda (I think) where the ones who had always wanted the model to be the Stargazer, but the Paramount boys probably thought it'd be cheaper to reuse the Enterprise-A model.

Of course, this indicates a worrying lack of communication between the departments. The model makers thought they were using the Constellation model for the Stargazer, and the script writers thought they were using the Constitution model. Unless there was a significant amount of time between the shooting of Geordi's scene where he says "Constitution", and the shooting of all the ready room scences (which had the Ent-A model in them). Either that, or Greg Jein built the model out of his own pocket, then turned up on the Paramount lot, saying "No, you're not using the Ent-A model. You're using this. Take it. Here's my bill".

And, again, the registry number wasn't a homage to the original Constellation nicking the Amt Enterprise's decal sheet. It was the EXACT SAME THING! They'd nicked the AMT Ent-A decal sheet. Because it saved them money. And they didn't think that anyone would notice.

Although you'd think they'd have given the Constellation the registry NCC-7100, to be consistent, wouldn't you?

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Dukhat
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I wonder what that Constitution model was labeled, if it was labeled at all. Was it labeled "Stargazer"...

Anybody have any 'caps of it?

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The interior of the stargazer was also similar to the one of the Constituion refit. If I'm not mistaken, it even had the same turbolift, bridge consoles and chairs.

Anyone have pictures of the interior of the Stargazer the bridge in particular?


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Well, there were two differences worth mentioning:

-the starboard turbolift was replaced by a curving corridor
-weapons were apparently controlled from the starboard side of the bridge, not the special "booth" on the port side (IIRC, we didn't get a good look at the port side at all.)

Still, the bridge looked very much like a ST2 style Constitution bridge, and rightly so, considering how the ships would seem to come from the same era and perhaps the same manufacturer.

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