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Just a stupid little question that I think has already been answered on this very forum (but I can't find the reference anywhere). It's simply a detail that annoys me.
In "Yesterday's Enterprise", the crew of the alternate-universe E-D speculated that sending the E-C back to the year 2344 would lead to her valiant destruction, and thus to Klingons considering the Feds a honorable bunch and not starting a 20-year war against them. But this was mere speculation. And while the war was obviously averted and the timeline thus restored to something that roughly approximated "normal", we did not learn in that episode what really happened to the E-C after her return.
Now, it would be inconvenient for the ship to meet Romulans back in 2344 and report on them, when Starfleet apparently had no contact with Romulans between 2311 and 2364. So did the E-C have a chance to report her fate? "Yesterday's Enterprise" does not tell us if she did. "Redemption pt 2" should have more information, but this is a tape I did NOT acquire yesterday and watch sixteen times in the middle of the night . So perhaps somebody could tell if it was EXPLICITLY stated in "Redemption" that the E-C reported back on the Romulan attack (and that Starfleet actually received that report)?
If not, then it is possible that the death of the E-C was a complete mystery to Starfleet at least until 2364, while the Klingons did know the story of her brave end but simply did not tell it to the Feds... This would help preserve continuity. Also, if the fate of the E-C was not known, it would explain why Starfleet didn't name another ship "Enterprise" immediately in 2344 - they might have been waiting for the E-C to return (e.g. from a parallel universe, or from Delta quadrant, or from the distant past).
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I don't know what was said in 'Redemption', but I think it was something in the lines of the crew of the Ent-C being captured. The ship is most probably still destroyed, but some of the crew (including Tasha) managed to get out somehow.
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I believe Picard was shocked when he heard about the Enterprise-C in "Redemption", and I think that it was meant to look like no one knew what ever happened to the Enterprise-C, so the Romulans knowing would be a shock.
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I thought he was just shocked to find out anyone had survived (been taken prisoner) I thought it was assumed the ship was destroyed w/ all hands.
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After Sela shocked the hell out of everyone on the bridge, Guinan asked Picard what he knew about the Enterprise C. He seemed a little puzzled but did tell her that the Enterprise C was lost at the battle of Narendra III. He mentioned it by name. I would assume that the Klingons were the only providers of data to the Federation on the incident since it was their colony. That is why I think it is safe to say the Federation Government had no official contact with the Romulans in all that time. The two great figure heads of the Federation and the Romulan Empire had not spoken in decades but a number of "incidents" could easily occurred between the two cultures out in the boonies of space. Remember early in the first season, the Ent-D was prepared to engage in some kind of activity with the Romulans at the end of some episode (the episode plot actually dealt with some kind of distraction from the actual Romulan mission). I will have to look it up to see exactly which episode it was.
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Riker and Tasha (Data, too ... maybe Worf) were down on the planet's surface trying to secure the release of Federation citizens, and some sort of sickness was incapacitating the crew aboard the ship?
I seem to think that was the ep ... can't be sure, tho
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Nope. Worf was still aboard. Remember the loud sneezing? It was Riker, Data, Yar, and Troi on the surface. They were advised of a situation involving the Rommies. The USS Berlin was sent, but Data thought the Berlin didn't have enough firepower to engage the Rommies in a battle should one happen, so Data came back aboard, took command because Picard had already been infected the illness, and took the Enterprise to meet the Rommies.
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Okay, so the apparent contradiction between the E-C encounter and the statement of "no contact between 2311 and 2364" can be resolved from two directions. First, the E-C need not really have reported on the Romulans (thanks for the clarifications re: "Redemption"!). And second, "no contact" may have just meant "they won't talk to us", even though distant ship-to-ship encounters may have taken place now and then, "Angel One" included.
Nevertheless, "The Neutral Zone" sure looked like the first time the Romulans were actually suspected of entering or crossing the Neutral Zone. Earlier incidents like "Angel One" may have been false alarms, with the Romulans approaching their side of the Zone but never actually entering the Zone and breaking the treaty.
A random note re: "Yesterday's Enterprise". Both Tasha Yar and Lt Castillo seem convinced that the alternate E-D could easily defeat the four Romulan warbirds. Tasha also thinks the E-C might have a fighting chance because it is more maneuverable than the Romulans (although this may be wishful thinking). From this, I'd deduce that the Romulan warbirds spoken of were NOT of the later D'eridex class, but of an earlier, weaker design. No matter if the alt-E-D is called a "warship" or "battleship", it still can't be THAT much more powerful than the regular E-D.
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On the contrary, I think the Alt. Enterprise's effort to cover the E-C was mediocre at best. Sure, the suspense had to be there, "will they make it to the rift????", but come on!! Since Picard suspected the whole timeline depended on the C getting back, which it did, they should've emptied their photon banks as if they'd never get to use them again, WHICH THEY DIDN'T!!! It's strange we didn't get to see the E-D blow up, seconds before the "restoration".
The closest I've seen the E-D come to a good attack was in the pilot and when it tried to break loose from the Borg Cube's tractor beam. And even that was weak compared to Voyager's attacks in "Night" and "Year of Hell Pt. II".
I'd say a modern Ambassador-Refit with new shields, phasers and photons would be better than any Galaxy. That's my dream-config, actually. Plus ablatives, quantums, gel-packs and regenerative shielding. Naturally.
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Timo: the war had been going on for 20 years; I can imagine weapon/shield science to be a lot further than in the "regular" universe. Any war causes an enormous acceleration of science in general, particulary in those areas where it "matters".
The only other time I when the E-D went all-out (it should have been done more often during the show) was in "the Survivors" when they faced that Husnock vessel. Awesome firepower display that was; I just wish they had utilised that potential in every battle scene when it appeared as if the ship was outclassed.
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. So perhaps somebody could tell if it was EXPLICITLY stated in "Redemption" that the E-C reported back on the Romulan attack (and that Starfleet actually received that report)?
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