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When the movie The Motion Picture premiered in theatres in 1979, the USS Entente was mentioned in the radio chatter of the Epsilon Nine scene. This scene was in the pan and scan version of the film which was released with added footage. About fourteen years later, Paramount Pictures released a letterbox version of this film. Besides the added footage being omitted, the scene at Epsilon Nine was edited and new dialogue was put in. The mention of the USS Entente was removed. Why did Paramount Pictures edit this scene? I do not know. Now the question is-which of these two versions of the film are canonical? The encyclopedias fall in line behind the second version-LBX. If you do not believe me, watch the pan and scan version, note the dialogue, and then watch the LBX version.
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I'd go with the original, FULL version of the movie for reasons of canonicity... If Reddenberry approved it and the footage was shot, then it should be taken as canon.
Unless later footage contridicts the unseen footage, thus making the unseen footage non-canon.
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I agree. Just like the ST6 Operation: Retrieve scene and the ST2 engineer-is-Scotty's-nephew scene are canon, even though they weren't in all versions of the movies.
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When TWoK was shown on a local TV station, they included the scene in question. That was the only time I ever saw it. I thought about taping it, but I didn't have a tape handy... =<
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The nephew scene is only in the TV version, actually (the one made for ABC, I think).
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The cut footage was restored only for the ABC showing.
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The restored footage in ST II TWOK is currently only availble in bootleg (umm...no I woudn't buy one of those would I?). Besides the extra info on Scotty/Peter there is a scene with Kirk and Spock climbing ladders on the lower decks of the Enterprise. Sounds like an interesting subject for a web site project. Differences between the two.
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They probably removed it because there was a ship named the Entente in Franz Joseph's Technical Manual. The production said it wasn't canon, btu somehow it got in there.
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BTW, I'll accept the Entente if anyone can provide proof that it was ever in the movie (in the form of a sound file or anything else).
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Well, I must have been imagining things, because I've just checked my ST2 tape, and, sure enough, that scene is cut short. However, when it was on TV a few months back, it was there (and it wasn't on ABC, either...).
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I seem to remember someone posting or linking to a wave file from TMP with the Entente dialog in there on r.a.s.t. a few months, maybe a year ago. Someone may want to check DejaNews. I remember it was because Joe Chrieghton had a different registry number on his ship list than that in teh TOS TM, and someone posted the line to prove that they were one and the same. In any case, the laserdisc of TMP allegedly has the clearest line, if someone can get their hands on it. It says "Epsilon 9, this is dreadnought Entente calling. NCC-2120 calling comm station Epsilon 9. Come in" fairly clearly, but it is directly overlapping the "scout Columbia" part, which may be why some people have trouble hearing it. I can hear it on my normal store-bought video; just go rent it and it will be confirmed.
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