quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Well, it would've been a little hard for her to command it after...
That was the point.
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Was she just called captain by another character or was it actually stated she held the rank of Captain? 8 years isn't too bad for Ensign to Lt Cdr which is all I'd imagine is needed for an Oberth!
It's been a long time since I've read it, but I think it was stated explicitly. I'll have to dig out the book when I get home.
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even if she was referred to as 'captain' or as 'the captain of' this would still hold with naval (and Starfleet) parlance.. any officer that is in command of a commissioned vessel has the right to be called captain, regardless of their rank.
Lieutenant Commander Janeway would be referred to as 'Captain Janeway', or as 'the captain of the Bonestell' even though she was nowhere near the captain's rank.. its a title of position, not of rank.. unless they specifically say 'she reached the rank of captain' then its not necessarily the case
BTW, didnt the book's chronology place her Bonestell command a few years after W359? i believe that it was necessary to assume she commanded a different ship than the one destroyed in 2367
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: even if she was referred to as 'captain' or as 'the captain of' this would still hold with naval (and Starfleet) parlance.. any officer that is in command of a commissioned vessel has the right to be called captain, regardless of their rank.
Lieutenant Commander Janeway would be referred to as 'Captain Janeway', or as 'the captain of the Bonestell' even though she was nowhere near the captain's rank.. its a title of position, not of rank.. unless they specifically say 'she reached the rank of captain' then its not necessarily the case
I'm pretty sure that (in the Royal Navy at least) COs of ships are only called "Captain" either: a) on their ship, or b) by their crew when off the ship.
An Admiral on shore would call the CO "Commander", or whatever their rank was.
As Janeway had a performance review in the book (which now I think about it could have been Mosaic, not that it makes much of a difference), it seems likely that she was called Captain by whoever conducted that.
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: BTW, didnt the book's chronology place her Bonestell command a few years after W359? i believe that it was necessary to assume she commanded a different ship than the one destroyed in 2367
I don't remember, sorry.
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I gotta ask: why is it that her making the rank of captain never made a big deal of, then? I mean, neither Kirk nor Picard made Captain that fast, tho both made it pretty quickly. You'd think it would have been important enough to have been stated somewhere on-screen. I just don't buy it....
If she had made the rank of captain so quickly, it would have been mentioned in the series at some point. Plus, 8 years from what would be, in modern US Navy Parlance, going from O-1 to O-6 in so short a time is unheard of. There are generally time-in-grade requirements which must be meant, which is to ensure that you have a competent, experienced officer in certain positions. Command of a starship would be one of those. This is why I don't consider any of the novels as being canon - they make no common sense.
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Yeah! all the Admirald Picard was on first name basis with were either killed, possesed by parasites or complete assholes.
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I'm planning on another views(top, fore, rear...etc) and another Intermediate Constitution class ship.
Good renderings! I'm curious on what you based the profile. Did you work off the drawings of the ship in the Phase II book?
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quote:Originally posted by Middy Seafort: In fact, there was a fan-film made by a UCLA student that proposed that the Yorktown had a similar design as a test-bed for the new linear intermix warp drive. I forgot it's name and have never seen it, but it was mentioned in an issue of Starlog long ago. George Takei was also in it, as he knew the student and did it as a favor.
Yorktown II made by Stan Woo.
Andrew Probert did the design work for the Yorktown and a Klingon shuttle.
I've never seen it - only read about it in the same issue of Starlog - but I'd love to see what the Yorktown looked like.
Anyone here know how to contact Mr Probert, maybe see if he'd provide an image?
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quote:Originally posted by Jim NCC1701A: Yorktown II made by Stan Woo.
Andrew Probert did the design work for the Yorktown and a Klingon shuttle.
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Anyone here know how to contact Mr Probert, maybe see if he'd provide an image?
I talk to Andy Probert all the time...but what are you referring to? The Yorktown and Klingon shuttles from what?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: well, in the hierarchy of canon, the comics were officially licensed by Paramount, and all the stories were approved by lawyers and, when he was around, Gene's office.
SotSF, while i love it, was made by a few fan-guys against paramount's wishes and they were later sued for it. i think that damages the credibility a bit. besides, i dont think its feasible to refit an Archon into a Connie.. its just a ridiculous concept.. there would be no original ship intact..
BTW, on the subject of the TAS ship, it suffered from the same problems as the TOS footage.. a lot of the ship footage was traced from film of TOS.. some shots of the ship show the old pilot bridge, others show the regular series bridge.. im not sure, but i think TAS has a nacelle ball problem too.
I was one of the "fan guys", and no one was sued by Paramount. That is a ridiculous claim, and you shouldn't throw around claims like that without verifying them. It is also ridiculous since Todd Guenther, the author, went on to do the 1701-D blueprints for Paramount along with Rick Sternbach (I wrote the introduction to SotSF, did the color plates in the back, and contributed several ship designs)
As for the contention I made in the USS Enterprise Heavy Cruiser Evolution Blueprints, which are referenced in SotSF, that the Horizon/Archon class was used as a test bed for the Constitution class design, let me explain. Of course the idea was born of necessity, being that the Republic and Constellation registries were so far off. But I was the one that decided to use Jefferies old spherical primary hulled design for Horizon. I could have used something much closer to Constitution if I wanted to. But we had a conception of very futuristic starship construction that allowed the fantastic reworking of one shape into another. We said that the hull components were broken down into their basic elements and reused. The spaceframe was adapted as needed. The hull was then "spun" back over the frame in layers.
Republic and Constellation would not have looked as much like the Constitution at first. More like the Pytheas in my Federation Starship Recognition Chart. (This was also derived from an old Jefferies concept for Enterprise -- one of his first stabs at a saucer shaped primary hull.)
Later refits would bring the two testbed starships up to an approximation of the Constellation. But they would always be different -- notice the fact that the AMT model used for Constellation in "The Doomsday Machine" has significant differences from the 1701 shooting miniature. You could assume most of the differences would be internal though, an artifact of the adapted spaceframe.
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