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I think trying to establish speed in the Star Wars universe is like asking how do you make a coherent light beam jump out 3 feet and vanish. Technically....shouldn't the light sabers have gone THROUGH each other rather than clanging?
Terminology in Star Wars is never literal. Lightsabers aren't made of light any more than photon torpedoes have anything to do with photons. Further, lightspeed is significantly faster than light, and turbolasers are nothing like actual lasers. Oh, and The Force is more like The Field, because force implies acceleration, but that's stretching even for me.
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Yeah, but Obi-Wan saying "Play the Field, Luke" really loses the magic for me....
Though it might have kept him from kissing his sister (shudder!).
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Well, we have OmegaLust, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we got SolLust. Especially if the rumors are true.
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You're right. You ARE turning into Magnus.
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quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: You gave 3 examples in this post alone stating how Lucas is an idiot in regards to interstellar travel yet somehow I'm in the wrong for claiming that he intended the big "galaxy model" (even you called it that) at the end of The Empire Strikes Back to actually be the galaxy?
Maybe, just maybe, he screwed the pooch on this one? Just a thought.
Or maybe, just maybe, he didn't have anything to do with it. You think he's responsible for the placement of every single SFX and model seen in the films? You really think the scripts said "Oh yeah, and make sure there's a model of a galaxy out of the window".
quote:Maybe they aren't at Sollust since they did have plenty of time to go elsewhere, but I distinctly got the impression at the end of Empire that that is supposed to be the galaxy.
That's great for you. I got the distinct impression that Jeff really wanted to get into my pants, but that has failed to happen.
I mean, seriously, what are you basing that on? There's nothing in the dialogue, set-up, or anything else at all to imply where they are, apart from the obvious "not near the Empire".
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I DO think Lucas would have had the shot planned FAR in advance of it's execution (everything had storyboards!) but the idea of the frigate being billions of miles away from the galactic rim is idiotic at best.
If they coud travel that far, that fast, whay not just relocate to another galaxy all together?
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The Jedi tried, and failed, well, except the birdie in the books....
'Cause the war with evil wasn't over....
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I DO think Lucas would have had the shot planned FAR in advance of it's execution (everything had storyboards!) but the idea of the frigate being billions of miles away from the galactic rim is idiotic at best.
Was it Lucas though, or ILM? Did Lucas look at it and think "Yes, this is showing that I wanted the shot to be taking place a long way from the galactic core", or did he think "ooh, that's a pretty looking sun-with-cloud-around-it. Pretty. Oooh, buttons!"
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Probably some combonation of both. Normally I'd discount Lucas' having that much critical control over what is just a background, but it was the final-all omporntant- scene of thre movie where he had to establish the premise for the begining of RTOJ at then end of some pretty big losses for the heroes.
Everyone was watching that scene with rapt attention so I'm sure Lucas paid particular attention to every little thing before, during and after shooting, editing and test audiences.
This was back when Lucas really did have a vision for Star Wars after all.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"Maybe they aren't at Sollust..."
Well, we have OmegaLust, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we got SolLust. Especially if the rumors are true.
quoted because many were thinking this
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Because that would be giving this whole arugment more effort than it's worth, quite frankly.
(I should point out here that I actually like G2K's page, but that's mainly because he manages to argue against SW-ships-are-better-than-ST-ships, while at the same time seeming to aknowledge that the whole thing is pointless. Because, as the end of the day, it is. We have concrete statements of how fast the ships in Star Trek are, and the producers have broken them since 1966. We have no idea how fast Star Wars ships are, and the rules that people have made up are also broken. Therefore - pointless).
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None of this is worked out to any degree because it doesn't impact the story. GL treats space as background, just like a period piece where you frame your riders against a castle on a mountain. THAT is why the nebula/galaxy/globular cluster thing is out there at the end of EMPIRE, to make for a pretty picture.
Lucas was asked what was the ship window made out of during JEDI (I think it was ackbar's ship) and he actually said to Muren or some ILMer that when that kind of info is a story point, he would address it. But it wasn't and he didn't.
Now a different kind of storyteller would make a lot of the background stuff influence or contribute to the storytelling, or at least help form a framework for the storytelling. Those are the kinds of filmmakers I want to see doing period pics, ones who use the period for more than just window dressing. That's one reason I have high hopes for Asimov's FOUNDATION, now that the ELIZABETH director is involved. That is the kind of thinker who can deal with various aspects like visuals and intrigue in a way that works for modern audiences without trivializing the period being portrayed.
And one thing I found amazing was that the PHANTOM MENACE script kept referencing LASER SWORDS in the descriptive passages, not light sabers. I guess that was the case on the original SW script as well, and I wonder if it was looped in post. LASER SWORD would have sounded ludicrous even in the 50s ... But GL wouldn't have cared unless he felt it distracted/detracted for a hunk of the audience (which kind of brings us to the kessel/parsec shit, or to the fact that Alan Dean Foster offered GL different approaches that would not require KA-BLAMS in space but that GL demurred, saying audiences expected to hear these things blow up in vaccuuum, so he catered to that.)
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Although personally, I still think that the kessel/parsec thing was intentional. Look at Ben's face! He clearly knows that Han is making it up as he goes along.
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