And even if she does ... I mean, clearly, Leia was intended to be the more visible of the twins, which is why she was adopted by Bail Organa. You think Bail or Yoda or Kenobi wanted the Emperor realizing, "Shit! That's Vader's kid!" Of course not. But, then, where'd Leia come from to be adopted? So Leia goes with one of Padme's coterie, is cared for by her for a couple of years, then passed on to Organa.
Didn't Biggs fly for the Empire before switching sides to fight for the Rebels? And didn't Red Leader tell Luke - at least, in a cut scene? - that he'd flown with Anakin? Both of which imply that the Republic, in addition to using clone pilots, also used human pilots -- and also that the Empire uses human pilots as opposed to clones.
I would also imagine that its cheaper to raise a natural human army of Stormtroopers than it is to have them cloned.
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"I would also imagine that its cheaper to raise a natural human army of Stormtroopers than it is to have them cloned."
I'm not so sure this is a warranted assumption. Weren't the clones on some sort of accelerated growth/learning by direct brain injection program? That probably cuts down on teacher salaries, at the very least.
You know, this is (these are?) the "Clone Wars," but nobody calls WWII the "Airplane War."
Well, I guess somebody might, but I am going to preemptively dismiss them with an idle wave of my hand.
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I've posted links to spoiler pics -several times- that show Amidalia's death scene on the operating table with Kenobi, Yoda, and the droids all present.
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Forgive me if I missed it, but at what point did this thread turn from "I'm avoiding spoilers and waiting to see the film" to "Let's ruin things for Liam"?
If I failed to spot the spoiler warning, then sorry. If I didn't, you are all big fat fucking idiots.
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Oh come now, isn't that rather like saying that knowing Anakin will turn into Darth Vader ruins things for you? Or that Palpatine and Sidious are (*GASP*) one and the same dude?
OF COURSE SHE DIES! THAT MUCH WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN! SO DO ALL THE JEDI EXCEPT FOR YODA AND OBI-WAN! YES, THIS INCLUDES MACE WINDU! MY, WHAT EARTH-SHATTERING SPOILERS!
Yeah, but seriously, dude, my bad.
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Well, no, we didn't know she died. As has been pointed out, Leia seemed to know what she was like. So she could have been smuggled to Alderaan or something like that.
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Well, none of us has seen the movie yet, so mabye she gets cloned or mabye Leia is raised by Bail's young hottie wife (hey, he runs the fucking planey- he should have a hottie!).
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I'm looking forward to hearing James Earl Jones' voice as vader this time around- it sounds more filtered and metallic. Mabye due to the relativly new technology?
I also look forward to watching Yoda get his ass kicked.
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I believe this was dealt with in Timothy Zahn's novels, the Heir to the Empire trilogy. It's a long time since I read them, and even then I only read parts of them, but one point I seem to remember is Luke killing some Stormtroopers, removing their helmets, and discovering they look identical. This led to the realisation that C'Boath, the dark jedi master, had discovered a Kaminoan cloning machine (In fact, didn't he clone himself, hence him being mad?).
The implication of this is that at some point in the Clone Wars Kaminoa gets totalled, and the cloning machines destroyed. So I guess the Empire had to fill the ranks somehow.
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I wouldn't doubt that Palpatine ensures the detruction of Kamino. There are too many loose ends there that he probably wouldn't want floating around. They had contact with Sifo Dias (whoever that turns out to be... I'm guessing a Force halluciantion created by Palpatine himself). I think the cloning technology in the Zahn triogy was Sparti, though... not Kaminoan.
quote:They had contact with Sifo Dias (whoever that turns out to be... I'm guessing a Force halluciantion created by Palpatine himself).
No, I think Sifo Dias was a real Jedi, who Dooku impersonated to place the clone order - remember, it was Dooku who recruited Fett in the first place. The implication is that Dooku - who may have still been on the Jedi Council at that point - either arranged for Sifo Dias' death, or simply took advantage of Sifo Dias' tragic (but unrelated) demise.
quote:I'm not so sure this is a warranted assumption. Weren't the clones on some sort of accelerated growth/learning by direct brain injection program? That probably cuts down on teacher salaries, at the very least.
I disagree. In an organization as big as the Republic - and soon to be the Empire - you're bound to have a lot of young males eligible for military service. You'd have to pay for their training and housing anyway, but by going away from clones, you don't have to pay for their growth. Besides which, pre-adulthood education expenses would most likely be chalked off as a regional planetary expense associated with any populated world, and not counted towards the cost of raising and maintaining a military force.
quote:I believe this was dealt with in Timothy Zahn's novels, the Heir to the Empire trilogy.
I don't think we can take anything from Heir to the Empire and assume it to be fact. Remember, according to the Zahn novels, the Old Republic had a standing military, and also that Darth Vader lost his right hand as punishment for trying to coerce Luke into overthrowing the Empire -- not because as a young, headstrong Jedi padawan, Anakin attacked a Sith Lord.
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Jason Abbadon and The Mighty Monkey of Mim. Fuck you both. I like you both, but please understand that I have been trying to avoid all spoilers of the film, or at least as many as I can, and I don't appreciate either of you just sprouting them out willy-nilly. There's a difference between knowing that Anakin turns into Darth Vader -- because that fact is made very clear in The Empire Strikes Back (you remember that scene? "Luke, *I* am your father!") -- and that Amidala dies, which to those who remember Leia's lines in Return of the Jedi, might come as a true shock & surprise. So please try to be more considerate in the future.
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Here's a spoiler: this movie is going to be terrible.
POW!
No, but seriously: since there's nothing to say how much it costs to grow a clone versus raising a child, how can you say which is cheaper? Not to mention that you can needlessly throw away the lives of clones without having to bother with "reeducating" their families should they raise a fuss.
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Who would throw a fuss when their son died fighting the evil Rebellion that threatens the security of the peaceful Empire and it's loving citizens?
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