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I have to admit, based on the screenshots I've been seeing (they've been around for many months, actually), this is the first version of Windows that actually looks nice. Of course, beauty is often only skin-deep. Underneath, it's certainly still just the same old Windows...
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I currently have Vista installed on a partition. I never boot into it anymore because of all the security nonsense. You can't create an administrator account that has all priviledges...
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No it isn't.
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Vista, unlike the 98-XP conversion is a totally new OS with a scratch built kernel. Meaning that all the problems with 98-XP security will (hopefully) be fixed. Those pics look nice, but it doesn't look like the Aero thing was enabled. It's supposed to be like some 3 dimensional desktop thing. Supposed to be very cool.
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Da_Bang: Except that Windows 2000/XP was ALSO a completely separate kernel foundation from the 95-98-Me line. And yet they both had all the same problems.
Regardless, have you read those examples about Vista requiring 35 clicks to install a program? Or even 7 clicks just to delete a default shortcut from the desktop? Microsoft is completely overcompensating for their security problems, to the point where it's going to be incredibly frustrating for many ordinary users. (Chris has already proved my point, unintentionally. More below.)
I realize that Microsoft has spent a lot of time trying to rebuild Windows here, but there are already reports of security flaws coming out, before the damn thing's launched. So forgive me if I'm skeptical when people claim that Vista is going to usher in this grand renaissance for the Windows platform.
quote:Originally posted by Chris: You can't create an administrator account that has all priviledges...
Funny you should say that. That's the entire point of permissions-based security. The administrator account does NOT have ultimate control of the system; that's reserved for the superuser (aka "root") account. This is one of the things that Microsoft is doing RIGHT with Vista, because it cuts off the easy avenues of attack for viruses and worms. (The fact that they have too many annoying messages to enforce that security is a different matter, though.) Permissions are handled similarly on every other desktop operating system currently available (Mac, Linux, Unix...).
EDIT: Clarification for Cartman... what I meant when I said "Vista is still the same old Windows" is that there's still going to be security breaches from sloppy or rushed coding, it's still doing little but mimicking and reacting to other competitors or perceived competitors, and it's still a monolithic, monopolistic system that forces everyone to pay homage (or rather, taxes) to Redmond. Rewriting the kernel isn't going to solve that.
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Then you should have said "made by the same old Microsoft", since that's an entirely different assertion.
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The operating system isn't even out yet and people are already complaining. I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
I'm excited about Vista for several reasons, two of them being Halo 2 PC and Crysis. Another is DirectX10 which those two games will utilize.
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quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: The operating system isn't even out yet and people are already complaining. I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
I'm excited about Vista for several reasons, two of them being Halo 2 PC and Crysis. Another is DirectX10 which those two games will utilize.
Are these the physics card games? Will they utilise a pci slot or another slot - i'm already using all my pci slots.
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quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
That's not saying much.
Seriously, the last time I used Windows XP, it was crashing on startup just because there was an iPod connected. I had to remember to disconnect the iPod every time I rebooted, or I'd end up with that pretty blue screen.
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Andrew: I don't believe they're physics card games, although I'm sure the physics card will surely help. They're going to make use of directX10 graphics cards which are coming out next year.
Minutiae: Really? Since I bought my new rig last year I've never seen a blue screen. I blame the Ipod.
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quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Minutiae: Really? Since I bought my new rig last year I've never seen a blue screen. I blame the Ipod.
Typical. Blame the external device. I don't know why Windows was choking on it, but I can guarantee that there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the iPod. (We did check, BTW; I even erased-and-restored it personally using a separate machine, and Windows still had the same problem. Oh, and it was a FAT-formatted iPod, not Mac-formatted.)
Also, the reason you've never seen a blue screen is because Microsoft decided to change XP's behavior so it automatically reboots whenever it crashes. But one still sees the blue screen for a second before the restart.
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