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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,16,10,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In the 1980's Chrysler Corporation "invented" the minivan. Prior to this, nearly all vans were based upon truck chassis (the VW Microbus was an exception, but it was underpowered for American driving needs and had quirky handling). They were heavy, not very maneuverable, got poor gas mileage, hard to park, and rode and handled "like a truck".<P>Although Chrysler generally is credited for creating the minivan in America, The concept has been around for quite a while.<P><center><img src="http://www.comm.wayne.edu/staff/wright/autohistory/36StoutScarab.GIF" width=378 height=146><BR><Font size="+1">the 1936 Stout Scarab</font></center><P>It was powered by a rear-mounted flathead Ford V-8. While undeniably ugly, it was a very roomy, powerful, yet economical design that took up no more space in a garage than any other car of the times. It was ahead of it's time, however, and only five were built.<P>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>My mind wanders, but don't worry. It's weak and can't get very far.<BR>--Steve Allen<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P><p>[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited October 16, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,16,11,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Now I think of it, the above car may have been inspired by an even earlier concept: Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion car!<P><center><img src="http://www.buildamerica.com/old/7-15-96/wksgraph/dymford.jpg" width=421 height=300></center><P>Also powered by a flathead Ford engine (the same engine that powers the ford pictured next to it), the Dymaxion had front wheel drive and <I>rear wheel steering!</I> The Dymaxion had shatterproof glass and was the first car with air conditioning.<P>The bulge in the roof over the driver's position (left front -- this is an American car <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif">) is a periscope (there is no rear window). The scoop in the roof near the rear end is the air intake (cooling and engine induction) for the motor.<P>Although 20 feet long and capable of carrying eleven passengers (including the driver) the dymaxion was quite maneuverable, able to turn on a dime and give you 9 cent's change. It was made mostly of aluminum and weighed about half a ton. It averaged 30 MPG at a time when 15 MPG was considered good.<P>------------------<BR>My mind wanders, but don't worry. It's weak and can't get very far.<BR>--Steve Allen<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P>[P.S.: Here's a link to a site with more pictures and some quicktime videos of the beast in motion!<P><center><A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/bucky/car.html" target=_blank>Dymaxion Transport</A>]</center><p>[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited October 16, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>deadcujo</b> <br /><small>Member # 13</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,16,13,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cars used to have periscopes? How odd <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>The Unknown Vulcan<BR> <A HREF="http://www.phix-it.com/~perseus/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.phix-it.com/~perseus/</A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,16,21,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> A periscope? How odd. I think I saw an episode of <i>Seinfeld</i> the other day where someone suggested a periscope to be able to see what raffic was like ahead. Mind you, you couldn't drive while using it. . . <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,16,21,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cars generally didn't have periscopes. However, from time to time, the periscope has been proposed in <I>some</I> car designs, as an alternative to the rear-view mirror.<P>As you can see (by the lack of them), periscopes haven't been a particularly popular solution to automotive rear-view needs.<P>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>My mind wanders, but don't worry. It's weak and can't get very far.<BR>--Steve Allen<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>RW</b> <br /><small>Member # 27</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,17,7,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BR>[national pride mode]the VW microbus was a Dutch idea[/national pride mode]<P>Anyway, that first picture, that's a sweet looking car. Of course, the fiat 500 multipla is much cuter still (the old one, not the ugly new one) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,17,22,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> RW: Are there any websites about the microbus that tells the story? If not, can you provide details? It sounds interesting, and I have never heard that about the Microbus. As a matter of fact, it never occurred to my wonder why they ever created the thing in the first place.<P>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>My mind wanders, but don't worry. It's weak and can't get very far.<BR>--Steve Allen<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>RW</b> <br /><small>Member # 27</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,18,5,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:11 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BR>Well, it's something my father used to say, and I vaguely remember a documentary about it, but I could be wrong. I'll have a look. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Kosh</b> <br /><small>Member # 167</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,18,10,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The mirobus was very popular here in the states, till the antipollution laws kicked in.<P>------------------<BR><B>"One Tequila, Two Tequila, Three Tequila, Floor". George Carlin </B><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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