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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

...and that sound you hear is Sol banging his head against the wall because, among other things, State Songs got roughly zero nominations.

However, Sol is not about nominations! Nay far from it. He is about good music. Music that can stand the test of time....music with depth and soul...music that you think about hours, even days after you hear...music that you will want to write reviews of and place on your web site.

Well, with that in mind, here we have the Record of the Year nominees:

Record of the Year
* "I Want It That Way," Backstreet Boys
* "Believe," Cher
* "Livin� La Vida Loca," Ricky Martin
* "Smooth," Santana featuring Rob Thomas
* ��No Scrubs,�� TLC

And for best new artist we have:

Best New Artist
* Christina Aguilera
* Macy Gray
* Kid Rock
* Britney Spears
* Susan Tedeschi

After this year, I am sure that Sol will be Livin� La Vida Loca!!

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Posted by HMS White Star (Member # 174) on :

O god that a tough choice lets see errr the winning should be errrr.... Smooth cause I never heard of it and it hasn't had the chance to annoy me, I can't say that about the rest of the songs.

Macy Gray and Susan Tedeschi

Who are the people I why I have I never heard of them (of course if they get best new artist this will be the last time I hear of the them )

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Oh boy!

They really should change the name of the Grammy's to 'The Best-Looking Cash Cow awards'.

JOE SATRIANI, ALL THE WAY

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

Shouldn't Ricky Martin be nominated for being shot dead in an embarrassing way?

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

LOL

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

I think Santana should win.... that song ROCKS.

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"SHOES!"

Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

Am I the only one who thinks that the Backstreet Boys should win Record of the Year and Album of the Year? And am I dreaming or did Britney Spears had her "assets" redone?

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Sometimes I run
Sometimes I hide
Sometimes I'm scared of you
But all I really want is to hold you tight
Treat you right, be with you day and night
Baby all I need is time

-Britney Spears

Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

No Justin, you're not alone. And Ms. Spears did have a boob and butt job done between "Baby One More Time" and "Sometimes." Did you see the new Rolling Stone Magazine, you should since the Backstreet Boys are on the cover and they have their pants down...

Love ya.......

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Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling, I need to walk in
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart

-Backstreet Boys

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hm... Well, if I had to choose among what's presented there, the only one I would say anything good about is Santana. But I've never heard any of their new stuff. Haven't heard most of their old stuff, either. I've never even heard of some of those other people.

Again, I present to you the impending death of rock and roll. What sad times we live in...

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

Her name should be "Booby Spears". I swear it.

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"SHOES!"

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I'll bet you're all waiting for the sound of my brain forcibly exiting through the top of my skull, aren't you? Well ha ha! And ha! You see, one can only be disappointed if one has expectations in the first place. I suppose I could thank the Grammys for my deeply rooted cynicism, but that would defeat the purpose.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Well damn, if that don't take all the fun out if it Sol!

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I give it to Cher for "Believe," Mostly because it's the only one of those songs I can karaoke to.

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Yes, Justin, you're dreaming.

What happened to the days when "good" music won? Now it's just a popularity contest.

The Backstreet Boys do not deserve to win. Neither do Brittany "The Implant" Spears or anyone else.

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

Aww...thanx Michael, Love ya too...

Anyway, Tahna unfortunately times change and looks like you think for the worse. To be honest, I have really no clue what good music is; let's face it, I'm only 17. I'm part of the 18-XX age group where many ad's are targeted to us. The majority goes with the flow, except for Michael_T who considers Jazz excellent music.

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Sometimes I run
Sometimes I hide
Sometimes I'm scared of you
But all I really want is to hold you tight
Treat you right, be with you day and night
Baby all I need is time

-Britney Spears

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Ah, but jazz is excellent music.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Music isn't about 'going with the flow', and anybody who likes certain types of music just because 'they're cool' are seriously messed up.

Music is (Or was) about feeling, and...well, it's hard to describe. Music touches different chords in each of us, and is a personal thing. Wether you like a certain band because they get you moving, or if you like the lyrics because you can relate to them.

Music shouldn't be judged on who would be the better fuck. There's porn for that.

Oh, BTW, I'm 16, younger than you Michael_T or whoever, and I'm never going to use 'well it's geared to us, so I'll go with the rest of the people' as an excuse to wimp out.

So don't use your age as a cop-out. Because it's bull.

Oh, and one last thing. Joe Satriani for Life. No question.

[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited January 06, 2000).]

Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Of course Jazz is excellent music babe. I listen to it whenever I get tired (sick) of the Top 40 or listening to both my Backstreet Boys album.

Anyway, did anyone see The Tonight Show last night? Jay Leno did his sidewalk skit and showed important momemts in the 20th Century. Jay showed this woman a picture of Neil Armstrong on the Moon placing the US flag on it. The woman couldn't say when this happend (she said the year it took place was in 1869 I think), and then she said the astronaut was Louis Armstrong!!

And Justin, you still have my new Rolling Stones magazine with the Backstreet Boys on the cover (The one with them having their pants down).

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Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling, I need to walk in
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart

-Backstreet Boys

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

One question, Michael_T, do you and Justind_Timberland use the same ISP?

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Yes, he uses my laptop. That's why when we post messages, it a few minutes apart from each other because he's at my room using my computer. He's sleeping now since I made him tired...

:-)

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Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling, I need to walk in
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart

-Backstreet Boys

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I've been ringing in the new year (and the new college quarter) by enjoying a tasty TMBG cd per day on my morning drive. Today, once I wake up, will be "Why Does The Sun Shine?" and "Back To Skull", for those of you to whom that means anything. With "John Henry" along in case I have extra time.

This has brought two things to my attention. One, "The Statue Got Me High" is in all likelyhood the greatest song ever created in the entire history of the universe. "And though I once prefered a human being's company, it pales before the monolith that towers over me." Simply amazing. Euphoric. Self-descriptive.

The second, and more relevant thing, was that the Grammys have always been of exceedingly poor quality. This is the institution that lauded the group Jethro Tull as "year's greatest heavy metal act" in the 80's. Their lead instrument is a flute. A flute! And so I would humbly suggest that asking the Grammys to regain their musical integrity is like asking Ed Wood to return to his roots as a sensitive thinker on the subject of gender roles in society.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Oooo, Glen or Glenda. Sol, you are a man with the strange missives.

Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

What are you saying then Ultra about my boyfriend?

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Sometimes I run
Sometimes I hide
Sometimes I'm scared of you
But all I really want is to hold you tight
Treat you right, be with you day and night
Baby all I need is time

-Britney Spears

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Personally, I feel the cover's have been far to plenty to leave me with any faith with many of todays "artists". It just makes me sick. Since the beginning of -98 I must've heard 50 covers or should I say ripoffs, from various bands. I mean, I like Will Smith from his work in "Fresh Prince", MiB, Enemy of the State, and Independence Day, but all four of his hit songs, except Gettin' Jiggy with it, are covers, from MiB to Wild Wild West. it saddens me. Then there's "Kung Fu Fighting" and "Fight for your right to party", both perfect copies of their originals, except for a higher beat and some rap-verses. There are so many of them. and everybody seems to like it!
I have nothing against the various music forms themselves, I'm an all-eater. I can listen to Jazz, soul, punk, tecnho, RnB, classical, country and many more, whenever I hear a special song that appeals to me.
It's just like a MAJOR drought in the music business. And except for some radio hosts I've heard that also see the pattern, I am the only one in my life that gets bothered by it.

AM I REALLY THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THIS WAY???
(starts feeling like fox mulder)

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

You know, I didn't mind that Macy Gray song. At least until Virgin deceided to play it every bloody hour of every day.

Can I please mention "I'm only 17. I'm part of the 18-XX age group" and point out the obvious flaw in this man's reasoning? No? Okay.

Er, GO STEPS!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I'm gonna say it.

For Christmas I got 2 CD's, that famous one of Leonard Nimoy singing, and a bagpipe-and-drum one.

BOTH are better than virtually everything I hear on the radio today. Of course, I have tastes that vary somewhat from the norm, it's true.

Tori Amos needs another Grammy for "To Venus and Back."

Weird Al needs one for just being so damned funny.

I heard the Metallica CD with them backed up by a symphony orchestra, and I loved it.

And I can't get "Blue" (Da-be-dee Da-ba-die) out of my @#$*ing head. Especially after seeing the video.

And those are about the only things I've heard in the past six months that I've liked enough to have any retention of.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Susan Tedeschi is an INCREDIBLE blues singer .. one of the best going right now.. and she's little known accept in the blues-music community.

I saw her here in Ottawa, at the Bluesfestival about 2 years ago and this little lady comes out on the stage, strat in hock, and she almost seems shy when greeting the audience. I thought, "Oh no.. not a flop"!!

When she started to sing in this Janis Joplin-belting-out-the-chords-like-there's-no-tomorrow type voice, she absolutley blew me away. Song after song, she impressed me more and more.

I bought her latest album... EVERY SONG IS AWESOME.

IF you like blues, get her cd.. if you don't like blues, she'll convert ya !!

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Actually, that Blue song kinda sounds like "I'm in need of a guy, I'm in need of a guy, I'm in need of a guy......."

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Except Temptation

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I listen to alot of stuff that isn't mainstream. Well, not in the 'current' definition of the word.

Like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J. Malmsteen are all excellent artists, but really only appeal to people who like, and can appreciate guitar. They're not on the covers of magazines with their pants down, (Well, Steve Vai doesn't count), and probably will never win any mainstream awards.

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"I've never seen anything this beautiful in the entire galaxy. Alright, give me the bomb" -Ultra Magnus, Fight or Flee

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Okay, whoever that was who mentioned all the ripoffs these days... Thank you!

The first of these I noticed was the (c)rap version of "Every Breath You Take". The first tie I heard it, I didn't notice the difference at first, and I thought "Hm... I wonder why their playing this song." Then they actually started "singing" (not that there much resembling singing in (c)rap music), and my thought was "What the **** did they do to that song?!" Then, a little while after that, I saw something on television. I don't recall exactly what it was. Some kind of footbal halftime show, or maybe the Olympics ceremonies, or some sort of show during a sports thing, I think. Anyway, it was someone singing a (c)rapped-out version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". Just like the other one, someone had stolen the music and rewritten the lyrics to be about some kind of ****ed-up ganster BS. Another similar problem is the (c)rap version of "Stand by Me". Now, I think this one has the lyrics still intact (not completely accurate, but intact), but it's still been defiled. I think there are others, but I can't think of them right now.

As you can see, I am not a fan of people screwing up perfectly good songs. :-)

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Mase (or whatever) did a (c)rap (I like your term TSN) version of that odd disco 'Ladies Man' song, but for the life of me I can't remember who did the original.

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Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :

Yeah Puff Daddy and his gang of retards has ruined rap music , before it used to have a message now its just "Look how much money I have" and "Look at all this tail im gettin" .

First Time i heard Puff Daddy's version of "Every Breath you take" i almost had a heart attack , i felt like punching that A**hole in the face , Why dont you try writing your own song and defacing that one huh!?

Well i used to really like Rap back with NWA and all the way up to Tupacs death , after that its all been Down hill.

Anyway now i listen to Trance music and Retro Stuff , Its good to relive the 80's isnt it ?

That "Blue" Song is catchy , but it does sound like "Im need of a man"

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I'm not a fan of rap at all, but I can manage the old school stuff with Public Enenmy, and All the other 'In living Color' stuff, but now I agree it's (IMHO) garbage.

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"I've never seen anything this beautiful in the entire galaxy. Alright, give me the bomb" -Ultra Magnus, Fight or Flee

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

This is nothing new. Remember when Queen's wonderful "Under Pressure" became that YECCHH "Ice Ice Baby"?

Somebody else stole from "The End of the Innocence."

And if I actually listened to any rap when my baby brother wasn't home, I could probably pick out a dozen or so more,

It's just because most of these guys don't have enough talent to create their own melodies.

I can stand covers, if they're done with at least some respect. But THIS stuff?

Okay. The one Godzilla song by Puff Daddy, I liked. But that's IT.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Well, I like real covers, like SRV's cover of Hendrix's Voodoo Chile, or Collective Soul's cover of Ozzy's Crazy Train. But not (c)rap covers.

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"I've never seen anything this beautiful in the entire galaxy. Alright, give me the bomb" -Ultra Magnus, Fight or Flee

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

About the only rap song that I like is Will Smith's Getting Jiggy with it. Probably because of the tune. Anything else? Nothing but crap.

Anyways, back on topic. The guys who do the Grammys can save face by voting Santana as record of the year. I'll puke if the Backstreet boys and Ricky Martin win. This would be a horrible disgrace.

As for new artist? Anyone but Christina Aguilera or Brittany "Breast Surgery" Spears.

Please, do not disgrace the Grammys, please.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

It's a little late for that. By even nominating shit (oops, sorry) like the Backdoor Boys, it's a disgrace.

There need to be more rock categories. There are like 15 country categories and like 35 R&B/Pop/Rap ones but only like 3 rock categories.

Bands like Live, Creed, Collective Soul deserve more recognition than they recieve.

But I guess all the rock awards were dropped in favour of Brittney's Breasts getting as much screen time as possible.

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Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :

Will Smith is really not a rap artist hes a pop artist now , total sell out.

Anyway if theres any justice left in the world Santana will win , but we all know either backstreet boys or Ricky Ticky will win , theres just to much money floating around for any good music to win.

And as for Brittney Spears and Christina Agulera we all know one of them is going to win so theres no use kidding ourselfs.

Truly a sad day when good music gets passed up for Assembly Line Bulls*it.

Oh by the way Christina Aqulera has Bow Legs so we all know that its going to be Brittney Spears and her Breasts , You know i think she has those adjustable implants if you look closly they increased when she was on MTV and decreased in size when she appeared on the Disney Channel and then came back up for her next appearnce on MTV , I quess they adjust them by age group and demograpic

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Perhaps she just had baloons put in and she inflates them each day to whatever size she wants. :-)

Seriously, though, she was a lot better looking before she had those bowling balls installed in her chest. Granted, she wasn't overly attractive before (I think it's because her eyes are too far apart), but at least she wasn't bad. Can't really say that anymore...

So, 15 country categories, 35 (c)rap et al., and 3 rock. Didn't I say it was dying? Oh well. I suppose it's to be expected. It took rock and roll less than twenty years to get to its best (in my opinion), and that was almost thirty years ago. I guess it couldn't last forever...

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I'm working this into a big section of my website, but given the nature of this thread I thought this might be enjoyable. Consider it a preview of things to come.

Oh, what is it? Me making sarcastic comments about music I forced myself to listen to one afternoon.

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Oddly enough, all of the top hits of the decade seem to come from a handful of songs released in the past year. Surely, Rick Dees and his elite team of critical thinkers are above selecting songs simply by how many records they're selling at this very moment. If we cannot trust the Top 40 countdown, what can we trust?

Ah, Lenny Kravitz. The sure sign that rock is alive and kicking as we enter a new era. Or not. The former Romeo Blue wants to make music like Hendrix. Which is a very noble calling indeed. And yet, rather than being played on actual rock music stations, he finds himself here, firmly ensconced within what passes for pop music today. Are we really supposed to think that, were Jimi alive today, he'd be making this kind of music on this sort of station? I wish I could say no, but look what happened to Carlos Santana. At least he maintains some sort of inventive guitar work, though the drone of Roy Thomas, frontman for Matchbox 20, ensures that no one will hear it.

Jennifer Lopez is, and let's be perfectly clear about this, hot. Not the most attractive woman in the world perhaps, or even in the entertainment business. But hot nonetheless. That pretty much explains the success of her music career. Oh, she's a competent enough singer, in that she doesn't present any glaring hooks on which to hang criticism. But do we really need another manufactured Latin pop star? I'm sure the people writing and arranging her songs could just as easily find work with the next generation of up and coming Menudo veterans. Of course, I'm already biased against such attempts at multimedia stardom. Partly because of that general rule of thumb which tells us that it rare for a person to be both a talented actor and singer. (I just made it up.) And partly because I fear that this trend is going to lead us right down into the pit. What do I mean? Partridge Family 2001. Pray for armageddon.

Natalie Imbruglia is from Australia. I know this because I watch VH1. I would not have been able to deduce this fact from her music itself. Now, this seems like a pretty minor complaint, true. "Hey, she, uh...doesn't sound Australian!" So sue me. Modern production values remove most of the really embarrasing parts of a song. I could mention that her biggest hit is a cover, but I can't use that without showing up my own hypocracy. [Istanbul (Not Constantinople) anyone?] Besides, what is a cover, really? Singing someone else's song? How many people bother to sing their own songs? And lest you think I'm singling out modern music, how many people have ever sung their own songs? I don't recall too many opera singers who also write operas, for instance.

Hey, it's that blue song! It's about this guy who's all blue and stuff, and the chorus sounds all funny. I should note that my best friend likes this song. Why? Well, compared to the other stuff being played, this counts as a novelty song. Is it? No, not really. Some nonsensical lyrics, sure, but they're coupled with a vague techno track that I swear has appeared on every single techno song to ever become popular here in the States. I imagine somewhere in Europe, probably beneath the Alps in some secret installation, a group of scientists have taken electronica and chemically treated it in order to create this track. I think this constitutes an act of war, but the State Department never listens to me.

Insert Latin music. Or rather, Americanized Latin music. Or rather, music I assume has been Americanized. The thought that other nations have to suffer through this as well is too much for my optimistic spirit to bear.

Who's singing it? Heck if I know. Not Ricky Martin, I think. Marc Anthony? Maybe. Personally, when I want to hear Spanish music, I tune the radio to La Zeta, a local station. Especially around eight or nine o'clock in the morning, during the children's hour. They play some very old sounding records filled with unique sounds that have more in common with mariachi then banda. Have I impressed you yet? No, I didn't think so. And of course, what I vaguely understand banda to be sounds nothing at all like the above mentioned music.

We seem to have reached the very bottom of the barrel now. A Madonna montage. Some genius has decided that if one Madonna song is good, all of her songs, mixed together and played randomly with the announcer butting in every now and then for a station ID would be even better. I can't even relate the horror of this one. Aha! It's over. Wait..."mix of the century"? All night? Uh...I think this column has ended. I can only take so much. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to wash my ears out with something caustic.

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Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :

Im Cuban so i think I know what Latin Music is and Ricky Ticky and Jennifer Lopez dont make Latin Music they make Crap Music , Its basicly American Pop with a latin Performer . Granted Jennifer Lopez is hot , but have you ever seen her without the makeup ? Not a pretty Sight. And have you ever seen her in person ? She Lipsyncs to everything , same for Ricky Ticky and Marc Antony , always lipsyncing , Im not saying that its another Milli Vanilli Affair , they do record their own tracks they just dont sing them.

And please Lenny Kravits is a total sellout , have you seen the Nisson and Tommy Hillfiger Commercials? if hes trying to be the next Hendrix hes really getting off to a bad start ... Hendrix would never sellout.

Anyway let me just end this by saying that the people nolonger have an ear for good music , they have an Eye for music , if the Frontperson is nice looking and can get out a couple of lyrics that make some sense we will like it and we will buy the record , download the mp3 , sellout the Tour and make the guy stinkin rich within 2 minutes of release.

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