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Posted by D. Lerious on :

Using a personal cloaking device, I was able to get into a local mason meeting place, and observe a a mason get together. It was quite interesting. Here is one of the pics I got of it.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Looks like one of our TrekSunday meetings... back when people were there.

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Posted by D. Lerious on :

btw- I feel as if i've seen the name Jeff Raven in a book or something. is that your real name, or did you get it from somewhere?

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Heh...I worked for a local community action group for a while & our first office in the area was a rented-out space in the local Masonic Temple....& every Thrusday night, we'd watch as all these old men in suits & the young gorgeous nubile little HS girls in long flowing sheer white dresses would go into "THE SACRED ROOM"--making sure that none of us in the office could ever see in & doing lord know WHAT in there. And then they'd slam closed this big-ass 6-inch-thick oak door t'deflower these hot little numbers or whatever they did...phoof!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Say what you will about Eyes Wide Shut, that scene was creepy.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

My fiancee' was one of those nubile young HS girls in flowing white dresses (More like sheets that they can wear nothing under, with a rope acting as a bra) She wants me to become a Mason, but, well I dunno.

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

Maybe she knows something you don't. But I don't think I'd ever become one. I don't like the idea of secret societies and such.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I'll take this one.
I'm a member of a lodge in Pennsylvania.

There's nothing secret about the Masons except the details of their rituals of advancement, which consist mostly of relating bits of ancient Biblical-era history, and the history of Masonry.

Everything else is bunk.

I have no idea what nubile young women you're talking about, since women can't be made Masons, although there are organizations for the wives and daughters of masons, such as the Eastern Star, and, I believe, "Job's Daughters."

The members of my lodge are mostly old men, ranging from late 40's to late 80's, with a few young kids like me thrown in (you have to be 21 to get in, another condition.) Of all our 200 members on the rolls, (some 20 of which are all that's active) I can pretty much guarantee that with the possible exception of my father, I am by FAR the most dangerous.

Masons have included most of the founding fathers, including Washington and Jefferson, and many other presidents, as well as Neil Armstrong, Clark Gable, John Philip Sousa, and many many others of known good character.

I have yet to decide whether to be offended by the little painting above. Probably I won't. I DO have a sense of humor, you know.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Although I'm curious to see this rope-as-bra thing. Preferably on the streets. Instead of a bikini top. Mmmmm.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

From what I remember of Sunday School, being Job's daughter, or son for that matter, is not an enviable lot in life.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Could be worse, I suppose.. could be Lot's daughters...

Hey, dad, bouncy-bouncy?

ICK!!

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

So how's Steve Guttenburg

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

Andrew, good Simpsons gag.

As for the Job's Daughters thing, it refers to his second set (after the trial) where the daughters of Job were amongst the fairest in the land, etc.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Which is a small consolation, if you were a member of the first set, who stayed dead.

*minor flame about patriarchal religions treating women as chattel deleted*

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Job and Lot... Hm... Makes you wonder how many of the people who believe in religions that have those stories in their scriptures have actually read them, eh?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Uh, this wasn't exactly what I had intended to bring about. Peace and love.

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

I have no clue who Job and Lot are. *L* I'm a Catholic, BTW. Please, no shots at my religion here...

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Posted by D. Lerious on :

Job is some dude is the old testament, who suffered a lot and...... that's all I know.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

D. Lerious>

To answer your question from the beginning...

Yes, you have seen it in a book, if you have read any of Ann McAffrey's Rowan books.

Jeff Raven was the charming and highly intelligent telepath husband of Rowan. I used the nick Jeff Raven back when I simmed, but I dropped out of that, but kept the nick name cuz it oozes cool.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Lot and his family were the only survivors of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for the sins of pride and inhospitality. Lot's wife looked back, despite God's warning not to, and was transmuted into salt (or volcanic ash). Lot's daughters later committed incest with him to preserve the family line.

Job was just this guy who God and Satan had a contest over. To test his faith, God allowed Satan to do whatever he wanted to the guy, to see if he (satan) could get him (Job) to curse Him (God.) Naturally, since this is a Bible story, Job didn't waver - until near the end, when he asks God why he's doing this, and God responds with a long diatribe asking Job where Job was when God did all these great things, and never really does manage to answer the question. Eventually, though, God wins the bet and restores Job all the things that he lost, complete with a new set of children to replace the ones that were killed. And they all lived happily until the next test. The end.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

So the Lot story is kinda similar to the whole Orpheus thing?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

No, the Orpheus things is much more similar to "What Dreams May Come" but without the heaven bit and without the happy ending. Orpheus went into the underworld to rescue his beloved Eurydice. Hades/Pluto allowed Eurydice to accompany Orpheus back, on the condition that Orpheus take it on faith, and not look behind him to see if she followed. But at the very end, his doubt overcame him and he looked back, in time to see her disappear. The "Don't look behind you" elements are the only thing the stories have in common.

Yes, I'll be your phone-a-friend for the Mythology questions when you go on Regis's show.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Don't forget that Orpheus had a whole mystery religion dedicated to him in ancient Greece.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, the part of the Lot story I had in mind was when the two guys (who were actually angels, but Lot didn't know it) came to Sodom and Lot let them stay in his house. The whole town came out and knocked on Lot's door, telling him to send out the two travellers so they (the townspeople) could "have their way" w/ them (the two guys). Lot said "Sorry, but they're guests here and I wouldn't want to be rude. Instead, you can have my virgin daughters to do whatever you want with." Fortunately for the young Misses Lot, the townspeople didn't like the idea, and kept going after the travellers.

And Lot was saved from destruction because ol' Yahweh thought he had all his morals in order. And, as mentioned, this was the same god who made a bet w/ Evil himself that he couldn't torture Job to the point of heresy. Think about that the next time you get ready to say your bedtime prayers...

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Must we do this here?

Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

Yes, please save religion bashing for the flame board.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

No bashing. Just stating the facts...

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

No deflowering of beautiful young virgins?

Well, First, there goes any interest I might have had in the Masons. Sheesh! Sounds like a lot of trouble to ensure you've got drinking buddies! Maybe you better talk to the Masonic heirarchy about that one. I'm sure it'd be quite a draw.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Hell, even I might get interseted!!

I know some people from Eastern Star, down in South Carolinia.

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