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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

Am I behind or what? LOL.... *should read/watch/hear the news more often*

So, what happened? They not like the fact people wanted free music or something?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Essentially.

I'm a bit skittish about this turning into a flame thing, so here's a link to information from both sides.

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Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :

Basically Metallica (and a few other groups) think the broadcast of downloadable MP3s over the internet infringes on their copyrights. Napster states that they are innocents, only providing links to private sites, and the private sites are the infringers. Etc.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I was banned from Napster by Metallica. (I got back on. Good thing I know my registry)

The funny thing is, I OWN EVERY SINGLE ALBUM OF THEIRS and only have live versions of songs on my computer.

Go figure.

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Posted by D. Lerious on :

Serves Napster right!!! Poor metallica!! they are bound for the poorhouse!!

Seriously though, I think that metallica's sueing napster is really dum. I mean, so they make less money boo hoo hoo :-(. Who gives a rat's behind?? It's that napter's fault that cds are so dang overpriced, and that there's no point in getting a cd, if you can get the songs and make your own cd's. Long live piracy!!!!!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

"Avast ye, matey! Hoist the Jolly Roger, and prepare for boarding! No man's property is his own! It's ours fer th' taking!"

And then when they take a broadsides, they whine about it. Poor babies. Pirates get sunk a lot, kids. May Francis Drake send ye all ta Davy Jones' locker!

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

It's the risk you run when you walk the line. But I don't think they will lose that much. Most of the people who get the mp3 are the ones who don't buy the CDs bacause it's not worth it. That's why I...uh, I mean my friend downloads them. But I think they are talking about tens of thousands when they make millions. Big deal.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

That's my position on the matter. If someone is d'loading the songs instead of buying them, they wouldn't have bought them anyway. They would have had someone make a copy for them.

Sure, I d'load MP3s. But, if I didn't, I still wouldn't buy most of the albums. I'm not going to spend that much money on something w/ a song or two that I like. When there is an album I like in its entirety (or close to it), I buy it. Nobody's losing money off me because of MP3, and I'm fairly certain that's the way it is in general.

Of course, now I would never buy a Metallica CD. This isn't about "intellectual property". They're only doing this because they're money-hungry bastards.

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

That's why they are complaining. If they were true artists (or even artisits at all), then they wouldn't geve a rat's butt about the money.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

And how exactly are artists supposed to stay alive with no money?

I'm pro-Napster, but to say that the anti-crowd is solely a bunch of posers is flat out wrong. There are serious issues involved.

Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I see.
Metallica needs to lighten up. So do the other singers.
An MP3 Player costs what, $200-300 US minimum compared to the cheap $30-50 discmans which are easier to use?

Please, MP3's aren't the end of their (music industries) money grubbing days.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

HA!

Discman's are $30 in the US? They cost minimum 60 quid ($90 for the internationally ignorant) over here. And MP3 players are around �200 too.

Damn you. Damn you all to the fires of Hades.

But I'm kinda siding with Tim here. Although I don't copy music, I do copy some software. Stuff like Office 2000, which I could never, ever afford. But if there's something I like, that costs less than 60 quid, I'll buy it. I know it may seem a bit hyporcriphal, bt I need the expensive stuff to help with my school/uni work. The games are purely for my pleasure. I can do without them, so I buy them if I want them.

But the attitude of "why pay for anything? I can copy everything, and live on a big CD-R mountain of gold!" isn't helpful. That's what killed the Amiga in this country, and what would have killed the PC if CD-ROM's hadn't taken over.

Artists don't work for free. And exactly how much do CD's cost in the US anyway? There're about �10 over here, which I think is prefectly reasonable for an album if you like several of the songs.

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

I'm not saying they work for free. I meant that loosing a couple percent wouldn't have bothered them that much if their main goal was producing music. It seems to me all the people complaining are just trying to get the entire pot for them selves.

Liam, sorry things cost so much. You could try eBay. there are a bunch of people selling stuff that are over by you. Might be worth a look.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

The average cost of CDs in Canada is ~$20. The average game (brand new) costs about $6o. Wait about a year and the price usually goes down to $30. Discmans are anywhere from $35 (not brand names, but still work rather well) to $150 (you're talking Panasonic Shockwave/Sony ESP� here).

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Egads!

I bought an ESP2 for $80 three weeks ago in Regina.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

If you think rock stars are paid too much... YOU try creating a top-40 album.

I wish these same people would find a way to 'pirate' major-league sports. I mean, if ANYBODY makes a ridiculously high amount of money for comparatively little effort...

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

If you think major-league sports players put little effort into their 'job' then think again. They work just as hard as anyone I know. Even more so since their job is a huge part athletic. I couldn't play in the majors. Or even the minors. And I bet nobody on this board could even come close to as good as they are. Anyone who makes millions a year has to work for it. No matter what their job is.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

UM: Okay, well, maybe I was exaggerating a tad... ^_^

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

To be truthful, I've purchased CD's because of the fact I downloaded some of their mp3s. Take Individual Totem for example. I heard one of their songs, and I decided to buy the CD. I've done this with Star Wars Episode I soundtrack, Moody Blues Prelude, etc.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

NAPSTER RULEZ!!

METALLICA SUCKS!!!

Have you seen the www.joecartoon.com parody on Mettalica vs. Napster??
"BEER....GOOD!"
"NAPSTER....BAD!"

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

fructose: I was being semifacetious.

But.. come ON, it's a friggin' GAME.
And a lot of those guys get millions of dollars for seasons that would have made Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig hang up their bats.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

That joecartoon.com thing is quite funny.

Thing is, though, even though I may or may not disagree with Metallica's stance and tactics regarding Napster, I still think they're one of the best motherfucking bands out they're.

Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

I know it's a game and it's all kinda silly when you think about it. But we pay for entertainment, so that's why they get the big bucks. Just like actors and music, it's all about entertainment.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Most musicians don't make enough money to do it as a real job.

And musicians have nothing to do with top 40 records.

Also, the "industry" is currently facing an antitrust battle of its very own, as judges have found that CD prices are artificially inflated.

Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

About bloody time they did! CD prices are inflated fatter than Brando.

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