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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, Florida ...

We've got an abandoned ballot box located in a polling center in Florida ... any ballots in there? No one knows yet, although it is in a Democratic county, so this could be good news for Gore ...

We've also got the whole Buchannan thing ... confusing ballots? Possible. If they are, how do we (we as in the "American People") go about rectifying it? Should it be rectifyed? (Bush supporters: if the position were reversed, and these ballots could swing the votes in Bush's favor, what would you advocate?)

Absentee ballots ... TEN DAYS they've got to arrive! You mean it could be November 17th and we still wouldn't know who won the White House? Yes, the Florida election "whomever" said that absentee ballots rarely tip the scales in one persons favor or another, but this is a very close election ... Bush is only leading by 1700 votes or so as I write this ... (hell, that ballot box -- if it IS full -- could put Gore on top).

Speaking of which, CNN earlier mused about the possibility, that with Gore winning the popular vote, that even if Bush wins all the electorate votes, that those CASTING the electorate votes might not vote for Bush on Dec. 18th, instead siding with the man who won the popular vote ...

That said, I will reserve judgement on who has won the Presidency of the United States of America until December 19th (unless one candidate wins both popular AND electorate...)

Argh. Damn, this is one *hell* on an exciting time, ain't it?!?!?!

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

With communism, no excitement is needed. Just plain, good old socialism.

Damn capitalist pigs.

I mean really.

Yes.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Kudos to Jeb Bush for stepping off the Recount Commission (or whatever its called).

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"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

That "ballot box"... it was full of crayons.

You might also want to know that historically, recounts will almost always reenforce the original call. That, combined with the fact that the military will definitely vote Bush, and I have no doubt whatsoever.

UM:

You ARE aware that communism and socialism have alomst nothing in common?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Crayons? Sentient crayons who have a RIGHT to have their vote counted?!?!

Oh well ...

We've seen a lot of "historically" broken this past few hours ... it could go any way ... with both Gore & Bush promising completely different views of the future of the military, it might not go the way its been predicted ... I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Hey, why not just have a republic where both of them would be in charge?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

How about a duel to decide?

Gore gets a lightsaber, Bush can use a rapier! =)

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"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

"both of them in charge"?

like, a coalition government? Or, as the dictionary defines 'coalition government,' "any form of government that falls apart in less than two years."

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Like the ad in the paper about the 3 Presidents, a Nixon like guy for dealing with China, one for dealing with the domestic problems, and one as the CINC of the military. They used the Roman Empire as an example, or a Pres. and a couple of ministers with powers almost equal to the Presidents.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Okay, Florida has disqualified 19,200 votes in Florida County (that's where the whole "confusing" ballot was). Residents are filing lawsuits saying the ballot confused them.

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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Now, I'm not to sure how you actually vote in the US, and I don't want to make assumptions about the average Americans intelligence, but isn't it a matter of ticking a couple of boxes? Or have they actually hidden the polling stations, and to get to them and vote you have to follow a series of clues, spaced apart by various physical challenges?

It could make a good game show...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Florida has used the same ballots for YEARS. the chances that the ballots just NOW became 'confusing' is very small indeed. What you have here is either a bunch of very stupid people, or Gore voter fraud (because the people are saying "but we wanted to vote for Gore!")

The FL Attorney General in charge of the recount is an ardent Gore supporter, so I'd watch out for unfairness that way, too.

I hear some other states are having recounts, as well. Hmm...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

The ballot takes different forms in different states. In that county of Florida, there are holes you're supposed to punch in the card, next to the name of the cantidate. There're arrows leading from the name to the hole, and the type is quite large. There was no confusion. It can only be a ploy.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, I'm willing to believe that 19 000 people were capable of simple stupidity...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

After seeing the ballots on TV, I can see how people could be confused. But it doesn't matter. If you don't ask for help at that time, while you are voteing, you are out of luck. No "do overs" in voteing. This may well be the closest election ever, in the USA, but there have been close ones before, and if we survive as a nation, there will be close ones again.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

First,

Really? I smell all the irregularities in Florida, and then I look at Jeb Bush ... brother of George Bush ... hmmmm ... gee, could it be? You don't think ... ?

I agree that if the voters were confused, they should have said so when they were voting. I also agree that its probably not fraud on either side, but honest confusion. I hate to say it, but if Bush wins, Gore should concede and not try and drag this out over this vote (I mean, hey -- no one can accuse Gore of "losing" -- he DID win the popular vote)

What I want to know, is what is it I'm hearing about black voters being turned away? If *that* is true, then that's a different story all together ...

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Ten to one that it's a another mischaracterization, like the "disenfranchized voters" who tried to vote for two different people. I'd bet they weren't registered, or had already voted, or something like that. Or maybe it's like in GA, where if you have a criminal record past a certain point, you don't get to vote.

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

FL state constitution, Title IX, Chapter 97.041, clause 2:

"The following persons, who might be otherwise qualified, are not entitled to register or vote:

(a) A person who has been adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to voting in this or any other state and who has not had his or her right to vote restored pursuant to law.

(b) A person who has been convicted of any felony by any court of record and who has not had his or her right to vote restored pursuant to law.

(3) A person who is not registered may not vote."

It's also possible that they simply showed up after the polls closed. Need more info.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Hmmm, more info is needed ...

Big question is, why would the NAACP have a press-conference without first checking to see if the people complaining were/were not registered?

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"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Probably for the same reason you boys started hyperventilating over a box of crayons and perfectly legal balots, or Jessie Jackson's going to defend a few thugs that started a riot. Namely, jumping to conclusions. The democrats are desperate, and they and their constituants (read: NAALCP) are going to do anything to try to steal the election.

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

I would like to point out at this juncture that some of the people who were confused DID ASK FOR HELP. AND you know what the "helpers" said when they were asked which hole was Gore's? "I don't know". Hmmmm. SURE, you don't know.

And why are we so certain that everyone in the military is going to vote Bush? I never understood that.

And believe me, if the tables were turned, and this was a tight margin with the Republicans looking like they lost, every republican in the area would be trying to find the "lost" ballots and rectify the "confusing" ones.

There are LOTS of fishy things happening down there.
And that's not all, I heard that in one state some people actually got a call, telling them that because of expected high voter turn out, Republicans and Libertarians were to vote on Tuesday, and Democrats, Reforms, and Independents were to vote on Wednesday. And in still another state people were told that they had to bring a special registration card with them in order to be allowed in the polls. Of course that's a bunch of bullshit. Election day is tuesday for EVERYONE, and if you've registered prior, you don't need a special card... and you cant' vote now even if you DO bring in a filled out voter's registration form.

And just why is it that there was only one hole to punch for Bush, and two to punch for Gore, instead of the other way around? Hmmm. Could it be that they did that on purpose?

Well, I don't know. But I smell a rat, and I don't care if we have to wait until January itself to find out, Justice WILL be done. I personally think there should be a re-vote in Palm Beach, that would solve a LOT of problems.

Hell, even Pat Buchanon himself has stated that most of the votes labled his weren't. He knows he doesn't have 17 thousand supporters in Florida.

But it doesn't matter anyway. Bush isn't going to get any of his proposed bills passed with Congress the way it is. He doesn't have the republican majority he needs to pass things, and you can bet your ass those few democrat votes he needs are NOT going to change their minds, especially in light of this. And with that monkey-looking crotch goblin not winning the popular vote, he's going to find it very hard to make friends with all of us.

If he wins, I'm going to sit back and watch him make an idiot out of himself. It aught to be good for a few laughs.

But we'll see. This is FAR from over.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

"And with that monkey-looking crotch goblin..."

Brilliant! But how like a flaming wok it is, all greased up for the oven.

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