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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

As From Today This Is My Last Post

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Posted by MIB on :

I will miss you!

Good bye and good luck! Live long and prosper!

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"We have to get drunk immediately."----Gattaca

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

Sorry to hear that, Darkstar. You raised some interesting questions. I hope you aren't quitting because of the rude comments of a few - some people are not housetrained.

LLaP

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

MIB, the roadie.

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Y'know it's bad enough Darkie feels the need to post that in every forum, but MIB only makes it lamer to post the same thing every time too.

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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :

I quit along time ago

I don't post, I just read, posting takes alot of time in the day

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

He might at least have made sure his last post was in the right place... *move*

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

This is not good.

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

TSN: You do know that there are like three others, right?

QW: What is affecting the goodness quotient of this post?

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited March 17, 2001).]

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Well, gee UM, could it be the fact that Darkstar is leaving for no apparent reason at all? This strikes me as alltogether suspicious.

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I gathered it was because of one, or more of the following:

a) He was sick of us, he wanted us and he hated himself for it.

b) He wanted us to piss off.

c) He was upset that we were all gays and lesbians.

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Or maybe because of your sig.

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--Father Thomas Keating

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Naw...couldn't be that.

If you are reading this Darkstar...please come BACK!

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

There is room at the inn (that is, Flare) for all persons, regardless of race, gender, spelling ability, personal taste in sporting events, musical choices, favorite soda, hammock length, peerage, prefered sandwich style (cut lengthwise through the middle or from corner to corner?), or number of pairs of socks own.

There is only one qualification for posting here. You must open up your heart to me, so that I might peer inside and know you as your own blood does. It is not too much to ask, I think.

So, DARKSTAR, if you have set sail for points beyond the horizon I wish you luck. But do not think that you have to leave, or that people particularly want you to leave.

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

That was beautiful, Simon.

[This message has been edited by Siegfried (edited March 17, 2001).]

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And, might I add, not gay in the slightest.

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

*reads all threads in disgust*

UM, if I were Darkstar, I would be screaming at you to remove that sig.

The problem is that while running gags are good here, they are only good if they are in good taste. All running gags that involve Darkstar are completely in bad taste.

We are trying to make a good forum community. It is not helping when schoolaged teasing comments are made.

UM, I hope you're happy that Darkstar is gone. Seriously. I myself am not happy at this news.

Darkstar, if you are reading this, please accept my humble apologies for not standing up for you any further.

BTW: there are some other people whose actions towards Darkstar may have contributed to his leaving. Especially the participants in this thread. I think setting something like this up against someone who perhaps have little tolerance for this kind of crap is despicable, and all those involved should apologize. For starters, perhaps mailing him at [email protected] might be of help.

We are here to create a community that will cater to all people. This is contrary to what Flare stands for, and even worse, may harm our reputation.

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"Or maybe he was a real quack who got sick and tired of pissing people off, and decided to get a life and masterbate for the next 10 years."
- Me to Antagonist on Red Quacker, 03/08/01 20:15

[This message has been edited by Tahna Los (edited March 17, 2001).]

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

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There is room at the inn (that is, Flare) for all persons, regardless of race, gender, spelling ability, personal taste in sporting events, musical choices, favorite soda, hammock length, peerage, prefered sandwich style (cut lengthwise through the middle or from corner to corner?), or number of pairs of socks own.

Aww, that's so sweet you added that one just for me.
I'm kinda afraid to ask who the socks one was added for though.

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"Well if it's gonna be that kind of a party, I'm putting my dick in the mashed potatoes!"

-Nimrod 16/4/2001

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Well infinity, you have more tolerance towards gags towards you and such. Darkstar doesn't. So if he requests that such remarks should not be made, they should NOT be made.

I should also take responsibility for this too as I did not defend him immediately after noticing his sig as well as the other comments. Poor judgement on my part, and that I don't have jurisdiction over any of the other forums at Flare.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Who's to say that I didn't agree with Darkstars sentiments and used his quote in my signature.

Did Red Quacker leave because of your signature? Should Omega leave beacuse The_Tom & JeffKardde have quotes of his in their signatures? Should Matrix leave because Lee's got a quote of his in his sig?

When Darkstar came here for the first time, I didn't really notice. I thought "Oh, a new guy who wants to start talking Trek. With all these questions, he'll bring life to the boards."

Then, he started posting his trademark type of post, and while I could have cared less about whether or not his numbers were authentic, others did and called him on it. I guess I eventually did too. This continued, until it became a running gag, and one could say, staple, amongst the Flarites.

Like Sol's massive penis.
Like Nimrod's turnips.
Like Sol & me on the Man Train.
Like my apparent ability (except to me) to perform fellatio on myself.
Like infinty's punctuation.
Like QW's lusting for Liam.
Like Frank's Defiant.
Like Omega.

My signature reflects a post by Darkstar which I found terribly humorous. In a discussion about 'Series V', he posted this like 900 times, and left. How many others have quoted this in other threads. I am not the only one.

Darkstar didn't leave because of me. Or at least I hope not. I didn't set out to drive him from the forums, I didn't say "Hey, fuckwad, get the fuck out of here."

This place is a haven for jokes and slander. If you want a nice, little boring discussion forum go to any one of the other Trek BBS', the ones where posts consist of:
"whats ur fav ship?"
"the akira. :-) ROTFL! LOL! ROTFLAWTKATFWCTAFJESTSMA!!"

I visit Flare because it's funny, witty, and intelligent. For the most part. We all get made fun of, and it's not hard to shunt it aside, since, it's the Internet, of course, and NOTHING is ever meant in anything but jest.

If I were to cite a reason for Darkstar's leaving, I would say that he got fed up with us after he posted one too many posts where someone said "Could you please..." or "Where did this..." or "Why do you..." Sure, that may be frustrating to hear over and over again. It's also frustrating to say over and over again.

So, if I unduly caused any stress, tension, and anxiety in any of our members for whatever reason, please tell me, so I can rectify the situation, and never make those mistakes again.

Also, in the age old tradition of 'an eye for an eye', anyone who feels I should quit, or leave, or be gotten rid of, say so, and if the majority rules, I'll go, and I may never be blamed for the end of a member.

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Do I get a vote?

Nah, I'm kidding. There's really no way to know why he left, and I doubt we'll ever find out. I'd guess some misunderstanding, but with his English skills being what they are, such things would probably continue to happen. I think this was probably inevitable.

Not that I'm not all for getting rid of UM. Just not for this.

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- Woodrow Wilson Smith

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

What would Flare be without UM?

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Do we need to anwser that? *L* (j/k UM we don't want you gone)

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"Well if it's gonna be that kind of a party, I'm putting my dick in the mashed potatoes!"

-Nimrod 16/4/2001

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

RQ left even before I placed my sig. He was banned outright by CC himself. Fact is, he probably doesn't care about my sig or TSN's either.

Omega doesn't care about people who write his quotes on his sigs. After all, if he found one offensive, he'd probably ask the author to change it.

My point is that what's humourous to you was not humourous to Darkstar. I'm not asking you to leave, but at least be aware of the feelings of newbies, especially one who is even more sensitive to these things.

Darkstar probably didn't beg you to change it. He was probably too hurt by your sig to even try. That's how his mind works. I can relate to Darkstar since I myself had this kind of problem when I was in Elementary school. And thus, I can honestly say I never liked your sig either, UM. Imagine seeing your words construed and used in such a way to be horribly insulting. I saw it happening here, and I bet Darkstar did too.

Darkstar is gone for good. Just now I just checked my mail after sending Darkstar a message. Here's what I got.

Dear Tahna Los
Thanks for the apology and defence of me. The truth is
that can you erase me off of the Flare Forum. I've
wanted to leave for ages and last night I toke that
step. The insults about me and my life were the final
straw. Please take me off the Flare database.

DARKSTAR
Bye

See what I mean?

Like I said, one person's running gag could be another person's insult. Sure, Sol, TSN, Frank, Omega, wouldn't care about their posts being used as humourous gags. But Darkstar did. And now he's gone.

*sigh*

[This message has been edited by Tahna Los (edited March 17, 2001).]

Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

I haven't had much of a say in what has been going on with Darkstar. I read his posts and while I could have cared less about where his numbers or such came from others did and that is where the problem lies. This forum if anything is all about accuracey with anything trek related. Unfortunantly Darkstar never seemed to realize this. The one true problem with him that I had was his blaming of what he did on the fact that his dad died. While that is a very sad occurance it holds zero bearing on any of this, he did not need to post it everytime somebody made mention about what he wrote.

I look at flare as a peice of the real world. Here you have friends who believe in the same things you do, friends who don't but listen to what you have to say anyway, people that you may see everyonce in awhile who both agree and disagree with you, and the big one people who all out disagree with you for any number of reasons. That right there is life. Nobody can do something that everyone will agree on. People disagree and find fault with the person they disagree with. Is it right, probably not. Does it happen in life, you better damn well believe it. My philosophy is this nut up and live your life to your beliefs, change what you can, accept what you can't, or go away. I know that sounds pretty harsh but it is how I see things.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Omega doesn't care about people who write his quotes on his sigs. After all, if he found one offensive, he'd probably ask the author to change it.

Yep. .sig's are intended for humor. I don't particularly care, just so long as I'm not quoted saying something I never said.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

"The insults about me and my life were the final
straw."

As always, I find that UM has analysed the situation a lot better than I ever could. But I think there's something I can add.

Thing is, we all tried our best to accomodate him here, and our teasing was just as UM describes it. Unfortunately Darkie took it too seriously. Now, should we try to take that into account - which leads to us never teasing anyone even again, even Omega. Or should we really be asking whether he was the kind of person we "want" here, when he was so fundamentally unable to grasp the nature of this place?

He seemed like a messed-up kid, and I regret we weren't able to help him in what he admitted was an escape from RL problems, into the realms of fantasy & Trek. But how could we help him when every little playful dig got somehow translated in his mind into "ha ha ha, you father's dead and you live in Swindon" - ?

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"I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?"

- Matrix, 14/03/2001

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

*sigh*

I have a really bad feeling about Darkstar. I just hope that he's not planning on doing something rather rash.

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

My God this is depressing. I too hold a small share of guilt for a politely-phrased-yet-probably-misconstrued post on his writing style.

I share Quatre Winner's sentiment. He seemed to be troubled, delving into Star Trek and the minutia thereof to escape something. All we can do is hope that he finds his way. I know I will.

"Be kind - everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
-John Watson

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I feel really guilty about ribbing him about how many places he posted his "I Quit" thread in forums now ...

A suggestion? Perhaps, someone could make the FAQ a bit easier to find? And, also, perhaps, someone could include a section in the FAQ stating that we Flare-ers enjoy ribbing people (and that everyone gets this treatment) and, as always, good grammar.

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

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Aww, that's so sweet you added that one just for me.
I'm kinda afraid to ask who the socks one was added for though.

He didn't add that just for you. I'm well known here for "Creative spelling".

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I DO NOT ENJOY BOTH GENDERS!!!
Ultra Magnus

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

There's a FAQ? This is news to me...

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

FAQ

[This message has been edited by Sol System (edited March 18, 2001).]

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes, it should be easier to find. *ahem*

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

*reads FAQ*

Deeply cute, Simon. I approve.

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I've changed my signature. I trust no one thinks it offensive.

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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

You shouldn't have had to change your sig. We've all been ribbed at one time or another during our time here - the difference is that we all know that it's a joke. Darkstar joined the forums during my year long departure from the forums, and since I came back, it was nice to have another Brit around, but that's life.

Hopefully he realises soon that not everything in life should be taken as seriously as he apparently does. To do so would drive any sane person insane before long. He'd have to leave Swindon first though - that isn't the best place in the world to gather your thoughts.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Space Corps Directive #723:

Terraformers are expressly forbidden from recreating Swindon.

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"Kif, I have made it with a woman! Inform the crew!"

- Zapp Brannigan

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

What's the deal with Swindon?

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Yes I'm wondering about that too. Why are people making fun of where he lives when he perhaps doesn't like it?

Okay, I admit that he may have not spoken up about that before..... but as QW said, what's the big deal?

[This message has been edited by Tahna Los (edited March 19, 2001).]

Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

OK, just because I don't use smileys very often, it doesn't mean that I'm serious about all the points I make. I would have thought that you'd have realised by now - I WAS JOKING! He may have taken it more seriously than it was meant to be and it seems that you have too but it doesn't alter the fact that I was joking. If someone can't take a joke, then the problem isn't really with me but with them.

...and it isn't just Swindon. I have been known to tell jokes about Scousers, Geordies, Cockneys, the Jocks, the Taffies, the French, the Germans, the yanks, etc etc etc - hell, I'm from Birmingham and I've told and laughed at jokes about the Brummies and the English. There's no malice intended - it's just harmless fun for fuck's sake....

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No fuckers gonna know - Richard Nixon

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Yup. Swindon's pretty unremarkable. But the British will insult anyone based on where they live, regardless of whether it's a good place or not.

Places in Britain that get the piss taken out of them:

London
Liverpool
Manchester
Birmingham
Hull
Scotland (all of it)
Wales (even more of it)
Swindon
Newcastle
Everywhere else

AS an extra point, Darkie wasn't a young kid. I read his web-page, and I'm pretty sure he's at least 17.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

He also said he was 17 at one post in here somewhere

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

He actually says it on his page. Go to his Profile, and check it out if you don't believe me.

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Well then DS can't take a lot of name calling then. He could be unstable, if he can't take a few jokes on the web.

However I am wondering if I had any part in his decision to leave.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

I admit I too may have contributed to his departure.

No. I did contribute.

Fuck sake, we should be ashamed of ourselves. Every opportunity we had to take the piss out of something (anything!), he was the one that got attacked/laughed at. That's bullying, pure and simple. He asked us to stop, and very few of us did.

True, he did take things too seriously, and he is no doubt a bit immature for his age, but we certainly didn't provide an environment for his personality to thrive in, did we?

Just because some needed, craved, EXACT explanations for every number he stated, we vilified him.

He was after suffering a lot of hurt in his life. We only furthered that.

I'm with Tahna 100% on this.
I feel sorry for the poor devil - our inflexibilty and his excised him.

Yeah, I'm REALLY pissed off at the moment.

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :

It seems to me that everyone here has received his/her (fair?) share of comic relief (I wouldn't know if DS's dosage was "out of the ordinary"; although I have been around since '99, inauguration of new members was not something I payed much attention to - but it is not relevant)... the difference is that Darkstar could not take it very well. I have had a period in my life where the slightest joke would set me off like a Titan V rocket, and (predictably, perhaps) it coincided with some personal difficulties I was experiencing. Darkstar did more or less mention that his life wasn't a happy one, and that Star Trek was his way of escaping reality for a while... he did not seem to be very stable or sure of himself, and I think that under those circumstances our (I made fun of his grammar as well, and mine isn't exactly brilliant) "pestering", which I am sure was not meant offensively, became too much for him to handle. I've seen it happen in real life, with less pleasant consequences.

The problem is, you never know anything about a member until he/she decides to tell you some details, and for that reason I think it is best if people go easy on him/her, until we can be certain that the new visitor won't accidentally take some jokes completely the wrong way...

Just my two Eurocents... (hmm, expensive)

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Yeah, I can see that. Hell i've "been there, done that and prolly will do it again" myself.

Shame we didn't get to know the person behind Darkstar. *sighs*

Anyway. So how do we go about getting him back? Ideas?

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Give him time, and he will come back, or not. Much like you did, and I did, and Lee and Siggy and Brandon, and that other dude that lived in Fla, who's name I can't recall at the moment, but he was in college, and doing band, and was busy, but posted every few months, to let us know he was alive.(Maybe that was Bradon)

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I DO NOT ENJOY BOTH GENDERS!!!
Ultra Magnus

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

GA: Small advice. Not such a good apology when you end it with calling the reciever inflexible...

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Don't kill me, I'm charming!

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

That guy in Florida in band was yet another member of the Flare community with the first name of "Chris." I can't remember his last name or his screen name, but I remember the school he went to (suprisingly enough) University High School.

As my lengthy disappearance, real life interfered in my presence on the boards. Being a college student and the hardest working staff member of the residence halls tends to suck up all free time. So I vanished to take care of business. It certainly wasn't due to any grudges with members of this community.

As for Darkstar, well, there is so much that I can say. It's fairly obvious that he is a deeply troubled young man. In a weird way of thinking, the behavior of members of this board (and I'm not making any judgements or accusations) is probably going to help him. Escaping from reality is nice and dandy; most of us here do it. But it seemed to me that he was spending more time escaping from real life than with dealing with real life. As painful as it is, real life is more important, and I don't think that he was spending much time sorting out and bettering his life. Our driving him away may force him to eventually take a hard look at his life and change it for the better.

When his real life stabilizes and he begins to relax, Darkstar may come back. He may be able to look at his short experience with Flare as a good thing and decide to come back as a productive and interesting member of the community.

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Nic: She's not a practicing lesbian. We need PRACTICING lesbians!
Me: I have a camcorder.
Nic: But no lesbians.
Me: Ahhh... no.
Nic: DAMN IT MAN! WE NEED LESBIANS! LOTS AND LOTS OF LESBIANS!

ICQ Conversation From January 23, 2001.

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

For we are all that embodies the creamy goodness in our lives.

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

I wasn't apologising. I was bollocking off in whichever direction my ineffable fury took me.

This is an apology: SORRY.

Just so everyone knows what one looks like.

Christ, but I'm in foul humour.

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

To Whom it may concern:

While Darkstar's passing from these forums came as a bit of a suprise upon my return to these forums, it was hardly unanticipated by me. Several times the Dark one had threatened to leave, giving us several rants about his poor feelings being hurt. Nevertheless, despite the fact that several of us gave REAL reasons as why we had problems with his posts, and advice on self-improvement, the overall nature and directions of his behavior never altered, making such an occurrance, in my opinion, inevitable,

As for myself, I am unaware of having said anything that wasn't true, or that I should in the least bit feel sorry for.

Therefore, I will decline your gracious invitation to joing the breast-beating guiltfest.

Sincerely,
First of Two

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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Being Vastly Superior means never having to say your sorry!!

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I DO NOT ENJOY BOTH GENDERS!!!
Ultra Magnus

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

This is coming from from a First One who built that "Portal of Death" and then unleashed it on an unsuspecting Babylon-5 audience?

Just how many "mistakes" have ya'll made, Koshie ol' boy?

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Aiight! I'ma cut it to you straight and clear, it was DEFINITELY your fault(all of y'all). Because you've managed to insult me(not easily done) on quite a few occasions, but I took it(and dished some back) under the understanding that it was a joke. It was not a very pleasant joke though, I can see how someone who has problems in his life would be offended by this, and I am greatly offended by the post of First of Two, because he/she could have showed some common decency instead of saying what he/she did.

Remember one thing, the users that come here are honouring this board by coming, they have a lot of boards to pick fro, so I fail to see why they should stay here against insults. When a newbie appears you make him/her feel welcome, most people fail to do that.

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"Well if it's gonna be that kind of a party, I'm putting my dick in the mashed potatoes!"

-Nimrod 16/4/2001

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

There is no one more loving than I, at least no one who is not currently employed by PBS. But I must say that no one "has" to post here, or anywhere for that matter. While I am not condoning the actions of anyone anywhere at any time, I must say that we are what we are, and people are free to accept or reject us as they please.

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

And so closes this thread, thank you Simon.

THE END.

*Roll credits*

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In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Yeah, except he didn't close it.

Sorry, infinity, I refuse to feel guilt for things I didn't do. I didn't cause Darkstar to type half his posts in all-caps, to abstain from the use of legibility, or to employ virtually every nauseating fanboy modus operandi in the book.

NOR did I make some of his more "humorous" sayings a part of my signature, post mock-fanboy replies to most of his posts, or belittle him publicly.

We are each and all responsible for our own actions. there is NO SUCH THING as 'collective guilt' outside of a hive mind... which this place most certainly is not.

Now, you want to pick out individual people whom you think might have contributed to this and take them to task, fine and good. MY post was a reply to the thought that we were somehow 'all' responsible. (I wonder if that includes the lurkers and other newbies who never posted? Wouldn't that be galacticly stupid?)

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Well, I have to agree with Fist of Two (I know I'm chiming in a little late, here). I'm very sorry that the guy got his feelings hurt and feel bad that somewhere out there, the little guy's hunched over a computer looking for another board. But some of us were actually trying to give constructive criticism, and it evidently wasn't well received.

I'd love for him to come back, if only because I don't like the idea of anyone feeling like they've been screwed or rejected. But the purpse of these places is to have discussion and debate about what you post. If you can't do that, don't want to do that, or never post in your own thread...well... this happens.

My two cents. I guess there's very little to be done at this point.

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But, of all, the most reckless, or so I am told,
Was Abdul Abubul Amir."
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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Well I had absolutely nothing to do with his disappearance, but I still feel sorry for the kid (I know, I know, he's 17 or older, but from reading his posts I can't help thinking of him as a kid, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way).
Although I'm not pedantic when it comes to warp speeds etc, and I don't even post regularly in the "real" Star trek threads, I can understand how his manufactured facts and figures would annoy those of you who are into that sort of thing.
Although I feel sorry for Darkstar I have to agree with First and UM, they ( and the others) just acted like they normally do, and if Darkstar couldn't handle this then he was free to leave, and it's probably better, for his own sake, that he did.

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

I am not blaming anybody, I'm saying is that you have got to get a different attitude toward newbies, because the one you have right now makes a lot of them feel unwelcome. I know I've been there, I've been scolded by an admin at a previous board for saying something that could have offended a newbie, and I was bothered by a lot of people's reactions to my posts in the beggining, so I know what it's like for both sides. I guess people here are different but that doesn't mean you can't try to be nicer to new people.

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"Well if it's gonna be that kind of a party, I'm putting my dick in the mashed potatoes!"

-Nimrod 16/4/2001

Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

As far as I have seen there is no "attitude" towards newbies. The guys and gals here treat newbies with respect which is more then I can say for other places I have been. While the jokes were probably in excese, they were still jokes. I know that jokes can hurt, but you need to get over them and move on, especially here.

I also agree with First, I have no reason to feel an personal guilty about his leaving as I had nothing to do with it. We as a forum might want to make sure that we don't do as much joking as we did this time the next time somebody shows up. However that is not to say that we should not give out constructive critisism.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Somehow, I don't believe that 143 posts is really still 'newbie' territory. (although I also have a hard time believing I've posted upwards of 3000 times... sheesh!)

Granted, some of that was the ridiculous multi-forum posting of "I Quit," and some of that was lashing out at any negative response to any of his postings, and some of it was repeating distance calculations (minus the relevant data). But after somewhere around 50 posts, (assuming that they actually READ the groups and threads they post to,) normal people usually have a pretty good idea of what's going on, and what flys and what doesn't.

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