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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,18,23,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Recently, I read an article about Roman <i>tria nomina</i>, and it stated that while most Romans had the standard Praenomen, Nomen and Cognomen, a select few had an Agnomen.<P>Now, does anyone know what the Agnomen signified? I know of only one example offhand of an Agnomen, and that would be the Africanus associated with Scipio. Now, this leads me to believe that there is an association with Scipio's exploits in Africa and his Agnomen. (if indeed that's what it is)<P>Could the Agnomen symbolize perhaps recognition for honorable deeds or noteworthy events within a Cognomen?<P>------------------<BR>"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."<P>-Edward Gibbons, <I>The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> <br /><small>Member # 38</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,1,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:02 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "...My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next..."<P>I submit this thread for consideration for the Officer Lounge's "out-of-the-blue" award.<P>------------------<BR>"Ring a bell, and I'll salivate... <BR>well how'd you like that?<BR>Dr. Landy, please tell me <BR>I'm not just a pedagogue..."<BR>-<I>Brian Wilson</I>, The Barenaked Ladies<p>[This message has been edited by The_Tom (edited March 19, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,4,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I can't remember what Scipio Africanus' full name was, but I always assumed that 'Africanus' was his Cognomen.<P>For those of you not classically educated and going "huh?" it worked like this:<P>Gaius Julius Caesar - Gaius, of the Julian House, known as Caesar. Or you had Marcus Tullius Cicero, known nowadays as Cicero but sometimes (by the Victorians more than anyone else, I believe) called Tully, because that was his actual "surname. . ."<P>------------------<BR>"Kif, I have made it with a woman! Inform the crew!"<P>- Zapp Brannigan <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,4,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:39 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <a href="http://www.ualberta.ca/~csmackay/CLASS_365/Roman.Rep.Names.html">A long explanation of all sorts of Roman names.</a><P>According to that, it's a nickname, but a rather special and elite sort of nickname.<P>------------------<BR>Not even a god can deny that I have squared the circle of a static Earth and cubed the Earth sphere by rotating it once to a dynamic Time or Life Cube.<BR>--<BR>Gene Ray<BR>****<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/simsizer/chapter1.html" TARGET=_blank>Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet" Or don't. You know, whatever.</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,6,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:34 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So the guys with agnomen could get into any club in town? VIP? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Or...<BR>"My agnoMen are loyal to me and me alone!"<P>------------------<BR>Don't kill me, I'm charming!<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,13,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hmm... I was/am classically educated, yet it seems I have forgotten most of what that education was based upon...<P>------------------<BR>"Cry havoc and let's slip the dogs of Evil"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,16,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Classics, one would assume.<P>------------------<BR>Not even a god can deny that I have squared the circle of a static Earth and cubed the Earth sphere by rotating it once to a dynamic Time or Life Cube.<BR>--<BR>Gene Ray<BR>****<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/simsizer/chapter1.html" TARGET=_blank>Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet" Or don't. You know, whatever.</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,16,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Sol: That = good. I = educated. I = almost right about my first assumption.<P><BR>As much as I enjoyed Gladiator (In fact, it's my favorite movie, in like, ever), they did get Maximus' name a little wonky.<P>"Maximus Decimus Meridius"<P>Maximus is a Cognomen, not a Praenomen, meaning 'greatest'.<P>Decimus was one of the twenty primary Praenomen, and was never a name of any <i>gens</i>. Similarily, Decius and Decumius are both Nomen.<P>Meridius, and the goggles - THEY DO NOTHING! Actually, I can't find Meridius in a reference of any Roman names.<P>------------------<BR>"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."<P>-Edward Gibbons, <I>The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,17,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Meridius is obviously related to "Meridian", no? Maybe his mommy was in Morocco when he was due? Maybe they could take/make any name they wanted for their child? Then your lists are poor rules for namegiving...<P>------------------<BR>Don't kill me, I'm charming!<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs</b> <br /><small>Member # 239</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,17,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, if so, he could be Nicole Kidman's son. I am Val Kilmer!<P>------------------<BR>"Instructed by history and reflection, Julian was persuaded that, if the diseases of the body may sometimes be cured by salutary violence, neither steel nor fire can eradicate the erroneous opinions of the mind."<P>-Edward Gibbons, <I>The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire.</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,23,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:08 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Looking for historical accuracy in <i>Gladiator</i>? You'll probably have more luck searching the movie for references to "all your base are belong to us".<P>The following analysis contains spoilers, if you haven't seen the movie yet...<P>Let's see... Marcus Aurelius gets killed relatively near to when the movie starts. So, the movie starts in A.D. 180 or earlier. At the end, Commodus gets killed, so that's A.D. 193. Hence, the movie spans about thirteen years. Funny how that little kid never aged, eh?<P>Of course, the kid obviously stopped aging long before the movie started. He was already at least nineteen years old when Marcus Aurelius died. He was at least thirty-two at the end of the movie.<P>How do I know this? The kid was the son of Lucius Verus, who was joint emperor w/ Marcus Aurelius. At least, he was until he died in A.D. 161. Meaning the kid was born either before that, or in the nine months following.<P>Historical accuracy in <i>Gladiator</i>? I think not.<P>------------------<BR>"...I know this board in secret, intimate ways which are beyond your comprehension.... Let's just say that people should *not* be telling me what to do; it should always be the other way around."<BR>-"Red Quacker", conspiracy theorist and contemporary lunatic <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,19,23,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just to throw another kink into the works...<P>Before Maximus battles Tigris of Gaul, he's in the passageway talking with Proximo ("Shadows & DUST, Maximus!!"), you can hear Cassius announcing that he's in the "employ" of Antonius Proximo....<P>"CAESAR...is PROUD the present...the people's champion, Aelius...MAXimus!!!"<P>------------------<BR>"For people with resources, the right events <I>happen</I>. They may look like coincidences, but they arise out of necessity." --T�rk Hviid<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jay the Obscure</b> <br /><small>Member # 19</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,20,0,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I went searching for historical accuracy in <i>Life of Brian</i><P>Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.<P>Brian: I do!<P>Reg: Oh yeah, how much?<P>Brian: A lot!<P>Reg: Right, you're in.<P>------------------<BR>The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!<BR>~ C. Montgomery Burns<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Jay (edited March 20, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jay the Obscure</b> <br /><small>Member # 19</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,20,0,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, and since were on <i>Gladiator</i>, I rather liked this page:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.exovedate.com/the_real_gladiator_one.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.exovedate.com/the_real_gladiator_one.html</A> <P>------------------<BR>The negotiations have failed. Shoot him!<BR>~ C. Montgomery Burns<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,2,20,12,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:54 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> My Agnomen's off roamin' in the gloaming.<P>------------------<BR>The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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