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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Oh Yeah BABY! It's coming back!

from sci.space.news

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New Scientist
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EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: 27 June 2001, 14:00 EDT US

Russia to bring space shuttle back from the grave

RUSSIA plans to reassert itself as a major power in space by resurrecting
the Buran space shuttle, a relic of the Soviet era. It will pay for the
development programme in part by taking more space tourists like Dennis
Tito up to the space station.

Buran was mothballed in the early 1990s by the cash-strapped Russian
government. But with the satellite launching business expanding and the
International Space Station running behind schedule, Russian space
officials think Buran's time has come.

Last week Energia, the state company which built Buran, opened its hangars
at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan to show Western aerospace engineers
that Buran is ready and waiting for relaunch. "There is a future for this
programme," says Leonid Gurushkin, director of launch operations at Baikonur.
"Buran is the only launcher with a 100-tonne payload," he says. "By extending
the length we can carry 200 tonnes. There is no alternative to Buran and I
don't see any coming." The largest load possible in a Western launcher is
little more than 20 tonnes. So far, the giant craft has made only one flight,
in 1988. Flying without a crew, it orbited the Earth twice, before landing
on a purpose-built strip at Baikonur.

Energia built two Buran shuttles and three main boosters to carry them.
While the Soviet Union was crumbling around them, Energia's engineers
continued to get funding because the military saw Buran as vital to any
missile defence system similar to America's Star Wars. Buran's only
imported component was heat-resistant paint.

The Buran project would have employed 30,000 people, and there were plans
for up to 30 launches a year. The new Russian government finally cut off
funding in 1992.

Now the buildings where Buran was designed and built are being renovated to
accommodate Western engineers who come to Baikonur for commercial satellite
launches by Russian Proton rockets. The 4.5-kilometre landing strip that
was built for Buran was recently refurbished by an American company to
land Russian Antonov cargo aircraft, the only planes large enough to carry
big satellites. Like all Russian space vehicles, and the nuclear-armed
missiles on which they were based, Buran is assembled horizontally and
moved by rail to the launch pad, where it is raised to vertical. The
process takes only a few days. All the necessary machinery is still in
place at Baikonur, and the hangars are stacked with spare rocket motor
parts and fuel tanks. "The launcher is powered by hydrogen, oxygen and
kerosene," says Gurushkin. "The strap-on boosters are reuseable. They drop
back to the airstrip. In fact only the core unit is lost."

Energia thinks there is now a role for Buran because the International
Space Station is creating the need to carry ever larger loads into low
orbit. "We have been dreaming of this time," says Gurushkin.

Russia's other state space company, Khrunichev, is a rival to Energia,
but its director Alexander Kondratiev says he welcomes any opportunity
for Russian space engineers to compete with the West on an equal footing.
"Until 1990 we couldn't tell anyone what we were doing. But now we can
show the world our worth."

Ironically, the money for Buran's revival will be coming from the West. In
the past 17 months, Russian Protons have launched 17 commercial satellites,
earning Russia more than $100 million per launch. And despite NASA's
opposition, Gurushkin says Russian flights to the space station will soon
carry more space tourists. "We already have many applications. We are
currently considering them all and will take whoever pays most," he says.

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Author: Barry Fox, Baikonur

New Scientist issue: 30 June 2001

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Uh huh. Sure they are. Whatever you say, Russia.
 
Posted by Second Toughest In The Infants (Member # 37) on :
 
With help I can easily see them doing this, although the big question is, can they keep it going once they started.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Star Wars, the Buran. . . All because there's a Republican President again, must be. . .
 
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
KICK ASS. I hoped that this day will come! hehe. It was getting boring being the only nation on Earth who has a reusable space craft. Speaking of which. Has anyone heard any updates on the ESA's and Japan's projects to build a reusable space craft?

[ June 29, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]
 


Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Well, the ESA had the Hermes project, but that was nixed due to cost overruns.

I believe that Japan was designing some sort of reusable spaceplane (or was it China?) Nothing further than the drawing board, I think.

I found a site once pertaining to Shenzhou, a Soyuz-like manned space capsule the Chinese were working on. Again, nothing further on that.
 


Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
China is just now trying to get to the moon, so I doubt if they will have a Space Shuttle by now.

Japan is still trying to get a small shuttle that sits atop a rocket.
 


Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :
 
Russia Rules!!!
Yeahh!!!! Kick ass!!
This is so cool, Russia is back on top, and pretty soon it will dominate the space exploration field. Bye bye USA! No super power for you anymore!
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Yeah, right.
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
uh, lets see, Russia has 1 shuttlecraft (maybe) and we have, what, 5? With replacements on the way?
 
Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :
 
Two man, they have two, and they are a dickload better than yours!
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
No, they have 1. It's called Buran. Read the original post (duh...).

And it's identical toour current Orbiters, except for some minor differences.
 


Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
Yeah. The minor difference is that the Buran is superior to our own shuttle! LOL. If it weren't for budget problems I'm willing to bet money on the probability that Russia would be 5 to 10 years ahead of us when it comes to space exploration.

So the ESAs reusable craft has been shelved and Japan's is stuck on the drawing board. I find that sad. And China is heading for the moon? ummmmm ok. They don't even have a fully operational manned space craft yet. What's their target date for the moon landing?
 


Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
 
I always wonder what would have happened if the Avro Arrow wasn't scrapped...
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
China is using an old Soyuz, and they plan to be on the moon by 2010.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
This isn't, by the way, going to happen. I ran across an old estimate of the cost of the Buran program that put it at around 13 billion rubles. Russia did just increase its entire space budget by 43%. To 8 billion rubles. They literally aren't even paying their cosmonauts, and they expect to refurbish the one Buran actually built (or put together the two that were partially constructed but never assembled), build new booster rockets for it, since the old ones were reused for other things, and pay for all of this via tourism? Pull the other one, Russia.

Which is sad, really. But there you go.
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I almost forgot: Fun Facts about Buran! Amaze your friends!
 
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
China is gonna try to land someone on the moon by 2010? I'm sorry, but I think that there is hardly a snowball's chance in hell that they are gonna make that. Although it IS possible, I just don't think it's probable. Or am I totally underestimating our Chinese friends here?
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
You're SORELY underestimating them. Go Taikonauts!
 
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
Really? ok. I guess I am. lol
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
I think all the Chinese need is a rocket powerful enough to get them all the way to the moon. They already have a firm grip on the launching of commercial satellites.
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Does anyone have any pictures of the Buran?
 
Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :
 
There were lots of pics on the site. Buran doesn't look like much, but the Spiral is one sweet-ass shuttle


Spiral
 


Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
Yep. that is one bad mother.....Shut your mouth! LOL
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'm sure that ship's in Captain Scarlet.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
The Buran was reverse engineered from the space shuttle, and looks almost identical. As others have mentioned, there are a few photos included in that link I posted towards the top.
 
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Japan's space program is going nowhere because it's rockets keep blowing up. Part of the problem is that space exploration and rocketry is under the control of two separate government ministries who don't get along very well. Meanwhile, the North Koreans are firing ballistic missiles over Japan into the Pacific. Several Japanese astronauts have flown on the US Shuttle, but the first Japanese in space was a TV journalist who bought a trip from the Soviets.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn19991117a3.htm
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20000526a6.htm

I thought the HOPE spaceplane was cancelled, but I guess work continues as an unmanned test vehicle:
http://www.nasda.go.jp/Home/Projects/HOPE-X/index_e.html

Don't underestimate the Chinese. Remember what happened in the novel 2010 (in a subplot not included in the movie)?
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Ahhh, Tsien...that was the best part of the book, too...& Peter Hyams cut it because "he felt space was getting too crowded." But he DID happen to sketch this image as a possible concept for the ship.
 
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
hehe. cute. In the book, didn't the Tsien have a cylindricle shap to it?

Sense we are already straying away from the thread's original topic, I just finished reading 3001 a few weeks ago. The other three books were much better. Some of the comments about Star Trek and a few other things really did kind of take me back. Plus 3001 one had a few problems with continuity. It totally ignores what has already been writtin in the epiloges of the previous Odyssey books. Despite the fact that it was supposed to be the 'final odyssey,' Clark left the door wide open for a 4001.
 


Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
 
That's no ship...that's a tumble dryer!!!
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
The "Odyssey" series starts out great, and goes rather downhill as it progresses...
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Yes, the Tsien was cylindrical, with engines mounted on the sides (I seem to remember them being described as bubble shaped).

And, yes, 3001 really destroyed the "power" of the Monolith with that little virus stunt. And the creators of the Monoliths wouldn't be restricted by light-speed really. Plus TMA-0 technically shouldn't exist, since it was said to have "dissappeared" during the opening of 2001. And so on and so on...

Plus most of the book centered on "What would the 4th Millennium be like?" then the actual plot.
 


Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
Exactly. Clark really wasn't trying as hard as he could have with 3001.
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
If it weren't for budget problems I'm willing to bet money on the probability that Russia would be 5 to 10 years ahead of us when it comes to space exploration.

I hate to disappoint you, MIB, but that simply isn't true. After the Cold war ended, American scientists were invited to view the inside of several older Soyuz capsules. The technology was about on par with American 1920's railroad trains. Also, safety precautions for the cosmonauts were literally non-existant. You can argue that this was all due to the budget, but there were many other issues as well.
 


Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
 
I think only two nations can field a space expedition: the USA and China. Both are resource rich and have a large economy.

When my mother and I discuss the first expedition to Mars, we don't see the USA on that mission. Our dreams are greater than our ambition.
 


Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Yes, Russian tech was behind the times.

However, I am reminded of something I heard that a Russian cosmonaut said to an American astronaut back in the Skylab days...

"You americans make spaceship like expensive swiss watch. Many features. Drop watch, watch break."

"We russians build spaceship like Mickey Mouse watch. Does very little. Drop watch, watch stop. Pick up watch and shake. Watch go."
 


Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by targetemployee:
I think only two nations can field a space expedition: the USA and China. Both are resource rich and have a large economy.

When my mother and I discuss the first expedition to Mars, we don't see the USA on that mission. Our dreams are greater than our ambition.


Actually. If I remember correctly, China has a GDP of less than 1 Billion dollars a year.
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
4.8 trillion dollars, actually, according to some people who get paid for knowing that sort of thing.
 


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