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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

OK, so by now we all know Aaliyah died. Thankfully, most of you aren't on services like AOL so you don't have to hear all the bullshit about musical deaths from teenyboppers. My thoughts are pretty typical of the majority of people, though.

Why DO we give a shit about celebrity death, anyway? I mean...a few have affected me, but not to break-down sobbing points...or suicide attempts....

[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Shik ]

Posted by My Publically Displayed Name (Member # 256) on :

Do I care? Generally speaking, no. Not at all, in fact. I have no emotional attachments to any celebrities, so their deaths leave me cold. Am I supposed to give a damn? Perhaps, out of respect for my fellow human beings. But not because they were big media figures with egos the size of Mount Everest. Sucks that it happened, my condolences to the families, but that's as far as I'll go.

What I find so hypocritical (downright obnoxious even) about these situations, is the enormous amount of attention they receive. Just because one of the victims was famous, the accident suddenly becomes newsitem number one, whereas any other 'ordinary' incident doesn't even make it past page 4 in the local paper. I do not like what this implies.

Having said that, I think there are varying levels of 'affectedness'. Those closest to me rate the highest on the scale, immediately followed by friends. Influential people (such as Malcolm X, Ghandi, etc) are next on the list and so on, right down to the absolute bottom.

Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :

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The fact of the matter is, though, is Aaliyah was still a crack whore turning $10 tricks back on the streets of Harlem & she was raped & strangled with an electrical cord by a john then dumped into the East River, no one would give a FUCK about her.

Very racist comment there man. Lets all assume every black female is a crack whore.

Of course to set the record streight she was never a "crack whore" .

The fact of the matter is , like any well known person her death is going to get more attention than the death of some guy who lived in a Montana shack and spoke to maybe 4 people in a 10 year span.

The reason it gets so much attention is because it was unexpected and she was well known , the same goes for people who arnt celeberties I mean if right now the Mayor of your town died in a car crash , I'm sure the local stations would be running things non stop where as the National networks would probley run some short blurb. Its Life.

Its just logical, if your well known anything that happens in your life is going to get some kind of "press" whether it be Selling a Million records or your local High School team winning some championship.

Personally I'm not going to go and burst into tears because of her deaths , but as a hip hop fan I do know her story and this death was unexpected , she was really up and comming , she released her last album a month ago and was slated to appear in the Matrix 2.

Its a Shame and my heart goes out to her family.

The day Shatner or Nimoy die , I'm sure most of you will be saying "Its a Sad day for Trek" or in some other way blowing it all out of propertion.

Its Just Life.

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

I think, and I could be wrong here, that Shik typed "if" with an "s" making it "is" ... in other words:

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The fact of the matter is, though, if Aaliyah was still a crack whore turning $10 tricks back on the streets of Harlem & she was raped & strangled with an electrical cord by a john then dumped into the East River, no one would give a FUCK about her.

Now, I don't know about Aaliyah ... hell, the name doesn't ring any bells ... and she may well have been a crack whore. I don't know. I think Shik was just trying to make a point about how some people get a lot of media coverage and some don't.

Speaking of which, what did people on Flare say when DeForest Kelley died?

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

This is the chick from Romeo Must Die right?

She died? Since when?

Damn! One last hot chick standing on earth!

Oh, the brutality of the world! Why!? Why!?

Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :

JeffK , I noticed that.

But that still doesnt change the context , he said

"If she was STILL..."

which implies she was at one time a crack whore , which is false.

She was 22 when she died , and she has been singing since she was 11 , she started on tour with Gladys Knight at that age.

I am a fan of her work but I mean really I never met her so its not like It affected me on an emotional level but its still a damn shame , getting cut down in the prime of ones life no matter who they are is sad.

[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Obese Penguin ]

Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :

She was cast for The Matrix Reloaded... Not to make her death sound silly, but I hope they didn't do a lot of scenes with her in it, with the cost of those special effects and all...

They didn't make a lot of fuzz about it here, although it still made the news on several channels here. I think fans have a right to know that their idol has died...

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

Have they already started filming Matrix 2?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I thought so...

BTW, I had no idea she was dead. I don't really care, but I hadn't heard it.

Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :

I didn't know she died, either... *shrug*

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

She died last night when her plane crashed on take off from the Bahamas. She just released a new album too.

[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: The359 ]

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

Gee, The359, did you not notice the title of the thread? Or Shik's first post, perhaps?

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

...uh, I was responding to the people who said they had no clue she died.

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

Oh, well, n/m then

Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :

How was the media coverage when Jeff Buckley died?
Did you "give a shit" about his death, Shik? Or was it "Puuleease, he's gone already, you're cutting into Highlander soon!"

"Thankfully, most of you aren't on services like AOL so you don't have to hear all the bullshit about musical deaths from teenyboppers."

Does teenage celebrities die or get murdered every week in your neck of the woods? And even if, how is it bullshit?
I'm trying to figure out what could make a man so cynical. Hmm...

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I still get rather blue when I think about Douglas Adams.

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Musicians should just stay away from planes altogether. Lynyrd Skynrd, John Denver, Aaliyah. With that said, maybe they should get all the boybands on one plane. It's bad enough their crap has to be on the radio, but now they're making movies.

[ August 27, 2001: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Jeff's media coverage was minimal. Even when Zappa died, I pouted a bit for about 10 minutes...& then went on. None of this "Why did he have to die? He was only 53! He didn't deserve to die?!?"

I have no sadness about death. I never have. Death is simply entropy in action. Everything dies.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Entropy sucks. In a rational universe it would be illegal.

Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :

If they are important an established celebrities, then I care.

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

That sentence made no sense what so ever. Can we please at least put a mediocre of effort into typing?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Er...there was a d missing from the word and, but to those of us who have been reading for a few years, it was an easily corrected for error.

Here is a grin:

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

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If they are important an established celebrities,

Why do you care? Who do you care for? Be more specific. Define important. DeForest Kelley wasn't an "important" celebrity outside of Trek fandom, and fans of R&B are more likely to mourn Aaliyah than fans of Country Music (yech).

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

Its sad when someone dies, in this case, not sobbing sad, but still sorta sad, she was gonna be in Matrix 2, she had 80% of the filming done for that. She was good in Romeo Must Die. If you say 'bid deal' to every death, I seriously think you must of had some sort of problem dealing with it before...

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

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she had 80% of the filming done for that.

She did? I've heard everything from that (from you), to that she hadn't even started filming.