Of course I feel neither the UK or USA versions are right. Well, the UK billion probably is, but the rest isn't.
Look - 100 = 10*10, 1,000 = 100*100, 1,000,000 = 1,000*1,000 - see a pattern? 1 billion would be 1,000,000*1,000,000 = 1^12, Therefore 1 trillion would be a billion*billion = 1^24, a quadrillion would be 1^48, a quintillion = 1^96, and so on. Now that's the true an' proper scale me thinks. Ah well, I can but dream of someone getting it officially right.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Oh, I’m gonna get it now!
After posting the above, I disconnected and actually looked up “yotta” – "denoting a factor of 10^24" – D’OH!
Sorry! I’ve just never heard of a yotta before!
Still . . . my case still has a leg to stand on . . . doesn’t it?
And TSN: it’s eight, not six (the Italian thing) according to the dictionary . . .
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
What dictionary do you have? Eight is "otto".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Eight is "otto", yes. That's where they got "yotta". And "sette" is indeed seven, which is what I said above, except that I accidentally spelled it "six". :-)
AKB: What are you talking about? Those numbers basically represent how many thousands of thousands you have. "Million" comes from the word for "thousand", so it means a thousand thousand. "Billion" has "bi" meaning "two". So it's a thousand2 thousand. "Trillion", w/ it's "tri" == "three", means a thousand3 thousand. And so on.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
No, no akb1979 - the bit I'm talking about are UNITS - S.I. units... prefixes if you will... not groups of 1000/counting.
I.e. Gigahertz (Ghz), kilgograms (Kgs), terrabytes, nanometres (nm), millilitres (mL), picofarads, etc.
Andrew
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:1,000 = 100*100
*Ahum*
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Hehe...
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Spike: I have an Oxford Concise English Dictionary published in 1995. It hasn't failed me . . . yet.
TSN: Where did I get those numbers from? Well like I said, I saw a pattern and my dad commented on it too a few weeks back. We disagreed with the USA billion, thinking that the UK made more sence. The numbers increased by multiplying by themselves to a point (million/billion, depending upon which method you use) and then changed - it just looked odd to us as neither UK or USA version look "right". :shrugs shoulders:
AndrewR: Ah . . . my mistake. :looks sheepish: Erm, what does S.I. stand for?
Cartman: D'oh! That should actually be 1,000=31.6227766017*31.6227766017. Again, my mistake - 1,000 is the odd one out in my scale. The answer should be 100*100=10,000 as I'm sure you all know - hey! I was typing it late at night . . . give me some credit.
G.K.Nimrod: Why do you want to go piss on the fish?
Posted by Ultra von Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I'm sure he'll tell you it has something to with Turnips and the Spetznaz, but I think it's safe to assume it's because he's from Sweden.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
SI == Système Internationale d'unités == international system of units == metric system
And I got those numbers because that's just the way it works out. Obviousy, that's not what they were thinking when they made the words up. "Million", of course, did come from the word for a thousand w/ a suffix added to it. And "billion" was created from the word "million", but using "bi-" meaning "two". After that "two" got in there, it just got extended using "tri-", "quad-", "quint-", "sex-", and so on.
Of course, the British system is basically the same, except that each increase in the suffix means you're multiplying by another million, rather than another thousand.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: SI == Système Internationale d'unités == international system of units == metric system
Ah ha! Cheers!
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Of course, the British system is basically the same, except that each increase in the suffix means you're multiplying by another million, rather than another thousand.
Ah, you spotted that too huh? Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I will point out that in the UK we've pretty much fallen to American dominance on the matter of "Billion". Nine times out of ten we take it to mean 1000 million.
We give you this. But just try and take away our "cheques", and there will be blood.
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
We swedes say "miljard" for 1,000,000,000,000 and biljon for the million miljards, but I don't have a problem with listening to you limeys and yanks blabbering on in your obviously crooked fashions. I believe it's called 'tolerance'. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Liam: Well, we never got our asses kicked by the French, so we get to spell things correctly...
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Liam: Well, we never got our asses kicked by the French, so we get to spell things correctly...
What the hell do the French have to do with this?
And as for getting it right: schedule is not pronounced "skedule" it's "shedule"!!!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Have a nice day.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
No, TSN, but almost as bad, we got our asses saved by the French ... so, we spell things incorrectly Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
AKB: Where do you think you got all those extra 'u's in all your words from?
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Never gave it a second thought. Personally I don't really give a s-s-s-shall I tell ya?
HEHE!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, if you don't care, why did you ask?
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Because.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"No, TSN, but almost as bad, we got our asses saved by the French"
Almost as bad? We got beaten up by the dirty smelly lad in school that no-one likes. You on the other hand invited him to your party. Which is much worse. Dirty smelly lad lover.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, we invited him, then kicked him out when we were done w/ him. You got beat up by him and never bothered to wash the smell off.
Erm... Y'know, this analogy could end up going places I don't want to think about...
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
See, Liam, we're ungrateful to those who helped us get out from under your boot.
Posted by Supreme Chancellor Ultra von Magnus (Member # 239) on :