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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
WARNING!! "JAG" SPOILERS AS WELL AS SLIGHT "NEMESIS" CASTING SPOILERS!!

I culled this from a "JAG" newsgroup...I'd meant to discuss it here last week, but I forgot in the midst of, y'know...looking for work. It concerns the events of the 14 May episode.

quote:
Subject: News flash! Trekkers not depicted as odd misfits! News at 11!
From: [email protected] (Hunter)
Date: 16-May-02 13:14 Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>

Wasn't it wonderful to see a Star Trek fan being depicted not as a
maladroit nebbish but as a capable officer (Bud) serving his country?
Sure the other Trekker was a terrorist but I'm willing to overlook it.

For those Enterprise Fans who don't watch "JAG" A US Navy lawyer, Lt.
Bud Roberts during a dicussion with an accused (and admitted) Al Queda
terrorist discovered that he was educated in the United States and was
a ferverent Star Trek fan before he became a murderous religous
fanatic. This discovery accured when Bud mumbled to himself after
butting heads with a CIA agent. The agent wanted to use legally
questionable means to extract information from the prisoner using
coersive drugs (a previou military tribunal of another prisioner
excluded such "evidence" because such meathods are not of a probative
value, meaning it was not reliable in providing evidence.

The CIA agent left in a huff for another prisioner turning the first
one over to Bud in a "If you think you can do better (at
interrogation) then go to it" fashion. Bud, at a lost on how to
properly question terrorist then made the comment of "Where is Captain
Kirk when you need him" (aboard the USS Seahawk, a fictional aircraft
carrier BUT the exterior footage of the carrier depicted was the very
real USS Enterprise) Hearing this the Terrorist made a quip about how
Captain Kirk would say obey the Prime Directive. Bud instantly knew
that that was the first regulation of Starfleet that developing
civilizations should not be interfered with, clearly intimating that
the US should not be, as he sees it, interfering with Afgahnistans
internal affairs. Bud corrected him, pointing out that Capt. Kirk
constantly broke the Prime Directive. The al Queda man shot back "To
his constant regret." Bud then made the observation that the prisoner
was educated in the US. He then said "What happened to you?" The
killer replied "I learned to love Allah." (Arabic for God). Bud then
said:

Bud: Allah does not advocate killing those who disagree with you."

Prisoner: "You know nothing about it."

"I know IDIC"

Petty Officer Coates, who is Bud's legalman (the military version of a
paralegal) and was watching with great sergrin (sp?) at the specticle
of a US Naval officer discussing Star Trek with an Islamic terrorist
said "What's that?"

Bud: "Infinite Diverstiy, Infinite Combinations."

Coates: "From the Koran sir." She mistakenly infered.

Bud: "From Mr. Spock"

******************

Facinating! :-) Later, on the brige of the USS Seahawk Bud was
relating what he was able to gleen from the prisoner during four
amiable hours of discussion of Star Trek with the prisoner. It was
during the subject of Kolinar the prisioner let slip the location of
his retreat:

Carrier Captain: Kohlinar?" He mispronounced.

Bud: An attempt to purge all emotion and to achieve a state of pure
logic sir" It's a Vulcan concept sir.

At that the Captain glanced back to see if anyone was overhearing the
conversation. ;-D Bud continued:

"Sir I didn't really think it was possible but apparently Kabir
achieved this state while on retreat at his compound." The Captain,
looking both mistified and weary demanded "What do you have that's
relevent lieutenant?" Bud answered "The location of the compound sir."

********************

This was important because the whole mission was to capture or better
yet kill a fictional lieutenant to Osama bin Laden named Fareeza
Tarik. The strike hit the targeted compound killing many badies but
not the main target. (Commander Rabb and Lt.Colonel Sarah McKenzie was
caught in the raid after the Colonel swerved the HUMVEE they were
driving to avoid a flock of sheep and drove off road into a field
filled with anti personel mines, blowing up two of the tires and
throwing Rabb from the vehicle into the field. They later got
themselves out of the field (after Rabb steped on a Soviet butterfly
mine that had a push and release sswitch to activate it. He was lucky
as the Colonel said dryly. If it was a pressure mine that blows on
contact he would had been killed.) Trekked (pun intended) some
distanced toward a base camp they knew then procedded to spend a ccold
deseart night together snuggling chaistefully together. But before
they could get some shut eye the Navy air strike happened. They had
made camp close to the terrorist camp the Navy was targeting. The got
through the friendly fire with only some cuts and bumps after running
into a cave.

Meanwhile a Afghan girl Gunnery Sargent Galindez was pining for but
was suspected of being a Al Queda double agent and providing
misinformation on terrorist movements to the Navy (in which Gunny
killed by ordering a predator strike (a small, armed unpiloted drone
airplane with TV cameras) some civilians mistaken for a scheduled
terrorist movement and was being investigated by Mac and Harm) was
killed in the attack. It was later revealed by her dying statements
that she was not a Al Queada informant.

Finally wasn't it just great to see (or at least hear) Harriet knock
Lt. Singer's block off when she seemed to gloat at the possible death
of Harm and Mac? If the Star Trek refrences didn't make the episode
for you, certainly that did! At least Lt. Singer was stand up enough
not to rat out Lt. Simms.

Back to the main reason for posting.

It is glad to see a Star Trek fan taken seriously for once on TV. To
see a very fine and dedicated Navy lawyer (albeit a little on the
nerdy side) that is a Star Trek fan was refreashing. They even made a
terrorist one for goodness sake. A nice if disturbing touch. Star Trek
philosophy merging distortedly with dis tortedly interpeted Islam. He
used Kolinar to purge himself of all emotion for the quest of pure
logic. Logic he read as killing his enemies in the name of God. Felt
no emotion for the people he killed. Gives me the shivers.

It is something. "Jag" and the Star Trek franchise have a lot in
common. It may not seem that way at first but they do. Both depict
dedicated men and women devoted to duty who do the right and moral
thing most of the time and are willing to put their lives on the line
for the defense of others or home for little or no reward or praise.
And we also get to see the human side (or in the cases of Spock, Tuvok
and T'Pol, the Vulcan side; I don't know if US Navy Lt. Laurie [sic] Singer
has a humanside) of their lives.

It was fun intertwining the two shows. Kudos to the person who decided
to make the terrorist a trekker. Never would had seen that coming.

This isn't the first time there's been intertwining between the two, although I can't think of any off the top of my head (still in shock over the season finale ending). Also, Steven Culp who plays CIA operative Clayton Webb on the show will be in "Nemesis" as CDR Martin Madden. He's the guy who looks & sounds like Bobby Kennedy.

Now, I knew a cop in Brooklyn who was partnered with a quite-the-elder officer. When said partner attempted to enter a house he saw a possible suspect go into alone, my friend stopped him. When questioned on his motives, without thinking he replied, "General Order 12: 'No flag officer shall enter a hazardous area without an armed escort.'" His partner blinked at him, shrugged, & said, "OK."

Thinking back, how many times in your life have you used specific tenets of Trek in your daily life? I don't mean the big ones like "racial tolerance," but the little things.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
He's the guy who looks & sounds like Bobby Kennedy.
^ He also played Bobby Kennedy, in "Thirteen Days."

[ May 21, 2002, 18:55: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Indeed he did, & a damn asskickin' film that was.
 
Posted by UM. (Member # 239) on :
 
For a movie with a terribly unexciting climax, sure.

THE WORLD WAS NOT GOING TO END, YOUNG SIRS! BECAUSE IT DIDN'T.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, shit, UM ... why bother going to see the new Star Wars films?

We know Anakin becomes Vader. We know Palpatine becomes the Emperor. We know Bail Organa died on Alderaan, and that Anakin and Padme's children are seperated at birth.

...
 
Posted by UM. (Member # 239) on :
 
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Clonetroopers. And the scene in the Royal Shuttle-thing where it's cold and Natalie Portman is wearing tightie whities. Duh.
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
How often does Star Trek come up in daily life? For me, the only people who quote (or paraphrase) more Sci-Fi/Fant. than me are the guys in Free Enterprise (read the hilarious glossary sometime...)

http://www.freeent.com/glossary.html

Quotes that I used today in normal conversation

>"I want names, Lieutenant" (most of my friends accept that I will randomly call them 'Lieutenant' or 'Ensign' from time to time..

>I quipped "Officer thinking, Lieutenant" when someone fetched me a drink (to be fair it was a set up quote, for when handed to me Ray said "Romulan Ale, Captain, might make the evening go more smoothly")

>"The word is given.. the Kobayashi Maru has set sail for the promised land"

>"There's marijuana in that nebula...."
 
Posted by UM. (Member # 239) on :
 
That last one is like so witty, man.
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
thanks, dude
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
It's always nice to see "Star Trek" get recognized as more than just a target for geeky obsession by fanboys. I've never watched "JAG," but that story sounds very interesting.

I've occasionally made references to Trek in normal conversation, like "going to Red Alert" or comments about a Redshirt in some movie or TV show. But I don't make that frequent use of it.
 
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
 
I only talk in Trek references. And I've surgically altered my ears, so that I could be one step closer to my lifetime idol...Quark. Mmm...
 
Posted by UM. (Member # 239) on :
 
I'm not too sure they've ever said "Mr. Conductor, increase speed on the Man-Train", on Star Trek.
 
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
 
Hwhat is the meaning of this?? The sheer insulence! Seize that him!! I spit when I talk!
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Imagine cross-breeding these two... *shudder*
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
I've been known to sprinkle the term "man train" into casual conversation. And "fuck," if that counts.

[ May 23, 2002, 01:48: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
 
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
That sounds like an interesting episode... I wonder if this was done with the authorization of Paramount.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I do believe that JAG is a Paramount Production, filmed on Paramount lots and sold to CBS.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
It is.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Of course, it should be noted that something slithering from one arm of the Viacomtopus to another hardly constitutes "selling."
 


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