every webpage you visit is a good source of information.. thats how i learned.. just click 'View Source' and go to town
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
How long did it take for you to learn?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
what i did in there, i did in a day.. the matrix formed later, at a substantially accelerated rate.
seriously, one day before i had my first page that i considered passable to the public.. tables and forms took a little longer, the whole past 5 years has been part of the learning process...
[ June 11, 2002, 16:02: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Warning: Do not learn HTML. You will be tainted forever.
Learn XHTML 1.1 Strict and CSS. By the time you get good at using it, it'll be the thing to be doing...
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Uh, I guess I'll be tainted.
PS: Charles, check your PM's
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I learned much the same way CaptainMike did. All I did was view the source code on websites that I thought had a good design or some cool design tricks. I found a few online tutorials, but none of them are complete. One of the better ones I found is PageResource.com. It also has some tutorials for JavaScript and CSS.
Ultimately, I did break down and buy a book. I'm reading the O'Reilly series' HTML & XHTML: The Definitive Guide. I haven't gotten very far into it.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Thanks. That site is helping me a lot.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Ok, here is my HTML test page. Good for 10 minutes worth of reading.
What do you think?
Posted by Magna Ultrus (Member # 239) on :
10 Minutes?
No PNGs.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I don't know how to do images yet, and I havent got them ready, and why shouldn't I?
Posted by DeadCujo (Member # 13) on :
Magna, PNGs are nice.
[ June 11, 2002, 21:19: Message edited by: DeadCujo ]
Posted by Magna Ultrus (Member # 239) on :
Yes, but then these won't be "Shitty GIFbashes", see?
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I know what I am doing.
Posted by Magna Ultrus (Member # 239) on :
"I don't know how to do images yet."
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
In HTML. I didn't read the part about images. Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Well, I got the first two pages done. Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
You don;t know how to do images, but you know what you are doing????
Great Idea!!!!!
Posted by Jernau Morat Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :
Looks like you've a decent start made. Geocities may not be the best choice, though.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok... This would seem to be self evident...but I'll say it anyway. You don't "do" images in HTML. You can reference images, but you generally create the images in a graphics program like photoshop or something. You can also reference scanned images saved as JPEGs or GIFs.
But if you're waiting for a section to tell you how to create images using html... good luck.
I learned web design almost strictly by learning Dreamweaver. It's most likely the cheater's way... but it has served me well. I've picked up a few things about the code by watching Dreamweaver's source, but that's pretty much it.
Dreamweaver = good.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Notepad = better.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
What I meant was I didn't know how to put images on a page using HTML. I'm gonna stick with Geocities for now, until I find a better one. I am using Notepad to write it and then copy it to Geocities.
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
back in 4 yrs ago during an ICT lesson in my Year7 class a friend and i had finished our projects early and our teacher said: u have until the end of the lesson to show me what u can do using HTML - which meant we had bout 40 mins to learn and then write something. after making a page with 3 sections each colored different (green, red and blue) it was a pretty good start for 40mins i suppose. but since then i havnt touch anything to do with code.
and i've heard that Dreamweaver is very good (actually did a review for it for a school ICT publication project)
neways, my 2 cents worth Buzz
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:What I meant was I didn't know how to put images on a page using HTML. I'm gonna stick with Geocities for now, until I find a better one.
That takes about 2 seconds
And I recommend using HomeSite, or Notepad. But no Frontpage. You could use Dreamweaver, but I still think coding HTML by hand is more direct and easier.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Um (Looks around his virtual environment)
I suggest....listening to.....Mr. Capps......
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Notepad = hard work.
Seriously, why do you want to spend all your time hardcoding every page when you can do it a lot quicker in Dreamweaver or Frontpage? You can always tweak the code after...
Yeah, I understand if you're doing fairly hi-tec pages with JAVA and funky stuff, but for most basic pages a WYSIWYG package seems to be a lot less hassle.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I don't have any of those and I don't want to get them, so I'll stick with my notepad.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I love it how people actually try to give you advice and you then dismiss it out of hand.
I think that's funny.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
Well, I don't have anymoney to buy things, so Notepad is all I have. I just wish the accendentally instealled Dreamweaver or somethiong on my computer and I not know it. (Begins multipe disk searches)
Posted by thoughtychops (Member # 480) on :
quote: I just wish the accendentally instealled Dreamweaver or somethiong on my computer and I not know it. (Begins multipe disk searches)
Go for it, man!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Dude...noone accidentally installed Dreamweaver on your computer... It's a Macromedia product. It doesn't come standard with anything.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yeah... Dreamweaver costs approximately $400... and that's just Dreamweaver, not including any image software that's generally a must-have for a site.
I started our about three years ago using Claris Home Page, which is a basic WYSIWYG editor -- I didn't really learn HTML either, aside from reading some of the code that the program produced. So I could probably learn to handle hand-coding pretty easily if I wanted to -- but I don't.
For most fledgling Trek-related sites, I'd strongly recommend getting a minimal WYSIWYG editor -- sorry, but I don't know much about Windows-based programs that are small yet capable.
As an alternative, you could try downloading the Macromedia MX free trials which let you run the full program for 30 days to evaluate it. You're probably not ready to make the full jump, but you could at least test the waters.
What I'd recommend is that you get your site established first, and get everything set up and usable using methods that you already know or can easily learn. Compare my original site to the current version -- I think you'll notice a bit of an improvement. In the beginning, all I used was Claris Home Page (a program that was last released in 1998) and AppleWorks, a very simple graphics program, to get my material. Then I started branching out into more complex styles, and learned to use more capable programs like Photoshop. I recently purchased the Macromedia Dreamweaver/Fireworks suite, and am in the process of creating an entirely new setup for my site using the (relatively) advanced methods that I now know.
The most important thing to remember is, be patient. You're not going to come up with something that's as sleek as Ex Astris Scientia, or with a cool interface like the Daystrom Institute Technical Library, in just a week or even a month of learning programming for the Internet. It's a long process -- but it'll pay off eventually. Just keep at it! Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I just want a databse thing, kinda like SSD except with tumbnails.
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