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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,20,12,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 20, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:28 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And here's what we'll be driving. NASA has unveiled its potential plan for returning to the moon by 2018.<br /><br /><a href="http://space.com/news/050919_nasa_moon.html" target="_blank">http://space.com/news/050919_nasa_moon.html</a><br /><br />Technical upshot:<br /><br />-In summary, "Apollo on Steroids"<br />-Heavy Launch Vehicle based on existing shuttle SRBs and shuttle main boosters<br />-Semi-reusable Crew Exploration Vehicle for crew transfer to orbit and space station<br />-CEV docks with lunar transfer rocket plus lander placed in orbit by HLV<br />-Whole crew of four will go to the surface CEV remains in orbit alone and will return the crew to an airbag touchdown in Nevada.<br /><br />I'm a big proponent of the basic continued use of existing infrastructure from the shuttle, arranged in different stacks to get the job done. According to NASA, the goal this time is clear cut as not just the exploration, but the EXPLOITATION of the moon. To get public approval, NASA needs visible, tangible results, and stuff like mining, fuel, and tourism will give them a better chance.<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>OnToMars</b> <br /><small>Member # 621</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,20,14,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 20, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's a horrid, wretched, evil, stupid, plan. An awful, awful, awful, awful, awful mess.<br /><br />This is two steps back after three steps forward. Apollo on steroids indeed. This is Apollo +2 people, that is, flag and footprints. It won't do anything that hasn't been done already and it won't get any farther than what we've already done.<br /><br />This...plan, is an absolute disgrace. Unfortunately it's precisely what I expected.<br /><br />I predict three missions and cancellation. Presuming anything even gets off the ground. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Balaam Xumucane</b> <br /><small>Member # 419</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,20,15,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 20, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well it would be getting a lot more payload into space without the shuttle's overhead. The CEV capsule may not be the most forward-thinking payload to be boosting to orbit, but the booster sytem looks solid. Pun not intended. What would your plan be, OnToMars? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,20,15,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 20, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd like to know too. This system is cheaper, mostly resueable, and far safer than the shuttle while actually being able to do more. <br /><br />Though my own conspiracy bug is telling me that all they REALLY need out of this is a CEV. Screw the moon and mars - NASA just want independent spaceflight plus a heavy launch rocket, and at the end of the day they'll probably have it. <br /><br />Many say the shuttle was outdated before it started flying - one of the main assumptions behind its purpose was that PEOPLE would be instrumental in assembling the space station with zillions of spacewalks, manual truss assemblies, etc. We've since confirmed, and the Russians have been doing since day one, that a space station will be modular, assembled by robotic arms or self-guided docking, and require few EVAs. We know now that all you really need is a heavy rocket to boost stuff up there, and a couple of astronauts on station for the finishing touches. You don't need a shuttle for that. <br /><br />I've said here before - the shuttle was cool, but it's had its day. Everything we need can be done now by smaller, cheaper, safer rockets. They don't look nearly as cool, but it works. Until someone can figure out a viable SSTO concept, capsules are the way to go.<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,20,23,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 20, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> (It's a good thing the U.S. has so much money and energy to put towards moon buggies, and is not stuck in a perpetual war and facing full-out ecological collapse coupled with no energy.)<br /><br />OnToMars: even Robert Zubrin had kind of/sort of kind things to say about it! Somewhere! I thought but now totally can't find! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>newark</b> <br /><small>Member # 888</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,21,3,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 21, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is for me is validation that NASA is imaginatively and creatively bankrupt. Their plan is Apollo, with Gemini thrown in for good measure, with a few tweaks. Public apathy killed, along with so many other things, killed Apollo. I don't expect this plan to light the public's enthuasism for another moon shot. In fact, our paper planted this story deep in the front pages. Enough said. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>B.J.</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,21,6,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 21, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> $104 billion isn't even 5% of the total federal budget. Compare that to Apollo, which took up about a quarter of the budget. Apollo *couldn't* be sustained for long. Also, compare NASA's budget to most other federal programs, and it's pretty insignificant. Part of the plan here is to have a sustainable manned space presence, with designs on going to the moon and beyond.<br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Irishman</b> <br /><small>Member # 1188</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,21,7,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 21, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You cannot fund an ongoing MANNED project with 2 destinations (one of them being a planet we've never sent anyone to before)over a period of 20 + years with $104B.<br /><br />NASA might know how to do unmanned spaceflight on the cheap, but there are peoples' lives at stake here. They can't fuck around with that.<br /><br />The only hope is delay and government bloat. You know, here in Charlotte, we had an arena funding issue for a new NBA team. First, when it was pitched, it was going to cost just under $150M. Now, it's almost done and costs have come in at just over $300M. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,21,19,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 21, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And what exactly is wrong with using a proven set of methods and technologies? Apollo only killed three people, and made it to the Moon and serviced Skylab. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,21,21,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 21, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote>"This is for me is validation that NASA is imaginatively and creatively bankrupt."</blockquote><br />So, you don't want them to do anything proven, or anything with scientific merit? You only want to see something that looks outwardly different than what you've seen before?<br /><br />How about if they paint a mural on the outside of the capsule? Will that fulfill your "imagination" quota? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>B.J.</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,22,5,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 22, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockQUOTE>"And what exactly is wrong with using a proven set of methods and technologies? Apollo only killed three people, and made it to the Moon and serviced Skylab."</blockQUOTE>Considering the fact that we eventually want to get the average person into space, a lot of focus has been put on safety. With Apollo, they were lucky that was *all* it killed. Apollo 11 only had a 50/50 chance of getting to the moon and back alive, according to a quote from Armstrong.<br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,22,6,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 22, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I bet he just said that to pull girls, though. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,22,16,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 22, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm not snarking at Apollo by mentioning that, though. 3 < 14, and sure, you could compare them by deaths per hours flown, but then you could also compare by, uh, average mission difficulty, and as mentioned, getting to the Moon and back in one piece was, and remains a tricky proposition.<br /><br />Also, what the heck? I get "Sorry, we do not permit the following HTML tag or attribute: Parenthesis in HTML tag" when I tried to post this with "and remains" in parentheses, but there were no HTML tags anywhere to be seen. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,23,1,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 23, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:02 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The world has rightly rebelled against your hideous abuse of brackets in posts. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,23,1,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 23, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I scoff at this world of yours! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Captain Boh</b> <br /><small>Member # 1282</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,23,1,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 23, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It likely thought that the < in "3 < 14" was the begining of HTML. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,23,21,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 23, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sol System:<br /><strong> (It's a good thing the U.S. has so much money and energy to put towards moon buggies, and is not stuck in a perpetual war and facing full-out ecological collapse coupled with no energy.)<br /><br />OnToMars: even Robert Zubrin had kind of/sort of kind things to say about it! Somewhere! I thought but now totally can't find! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, NASA's director addresed that- He said (paraphrasing here) "you dont close down imporntant government agencies because of a disaster- bad things are always going to happen, but exploring space is part of what makes America great." <br /><br />I tend to agree- better to cut back congrssional raises and their free lifetime insurance and pensions (considering most of them are already millionaires) than cur NASA's budget further.<br /><br />I look at this announcment as a solid way to let the public get over the shuttle program's end and if Congress should possibly cut NASA's budget before any of this pie-in-the-sky moon-mission stuff becomes reality, it <i>surely</i> wont be the administrtation's fault, would it?<br /><br />Naaa!<br /><br />I really want to see a large payload rocket built that can carry a few dozen people safely to the moon- I'd fill it with all the bozos that claim the moon landing was faked -give the rocket just enough fuel and air to land on the moon.<br />That way, their lander will serve as a testament to their own cynicism.<br /><br />Or we can just let Buzz beat the crap out of them. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,23,23,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 23, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't mean that some specific recent disaster means we should shut down NASA. (<a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/08/30/katrina.tank.facility/">Although what happens when the disaster shuts it down for you?</a>) Just that, you know, manned space exploration is probably for nations that aren't on the ropes.<br /><br />And while I am all gloomy, I'd say America is made great by not being a bankrupt banana republic. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,24,0,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 24, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And here I thought America was great because everyone has a chance to live free from religous zealots and the government is devoted to serving the will of the people, citizen's rights matter more than money and everyone is equal, regardless of race creed, color or personal faith (I'm a Pastafarian, myself).<br /><br /><small>Oh wait..</small><br /><br />Really, America is hardly "on the ropes"....yet.<br />We just need to get the bozos out of office, our troops out of the middle east, stop giving money to despots and shore up that whole deficit thing.<br /><br />National healthcare would be nice too.<br />Plus, that whole "lead the world in space exploration" while inspiring new generations to study hard and enter the science/technology sector.<br /><br />After all, we invented the <a href="http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/lmbatist/twinkie.jpg" target="_blank">Twinkie!</a> ! We am great superpower! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,24,9,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 24, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "We just need to get the bozos out of office, our troops out of the middle east, stop giving money to despots and shore up that whole deficit thing.<br /><br />National healthcare would be nice too."<br /><br />Go back in time five years. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,24,20,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 24, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah- go back and tell Bill to keep his dick in his pants.<br />Amaing how one small indiscretion can be used by your enemies to fuck up all your party has accomplished. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,25,1,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:27 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, she wasn't that small...<br /><br />1990s humor! Hooray! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,25,3,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> MAD LIBS <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,25,9,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">After all, we invented the Twinkie! ! We am great superpower!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And you keep them to yourselves, too!<br />Stupid Twinkies, they explode during the flight over here. Our ameriwarez novelty stores only stick with, like, Jell-o powder, powerbars and beef jerky. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,25,16,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, I hope the Twinkie Girl I linked did not explode on any plane trip- her soft gooey center is made for more pleasant experiences. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Balaam Xumucane</b> <br /><small>Member # 419</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,8,25,20,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 25, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> CREAMY FILLING AND ROLLERBLADES, OH MAN. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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