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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
From http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=19769 :
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NASA's Hubble Space Telescope is giving astronomers their most detailed view yet of a second red spot emerging on Jupiter. For the first time in history, astronomers have witnessed the birth of a new red spot on the giant planet, which is located half a billion miles away. The storm is roughly one-half the diameter of its bigger and legendary cousin, the Great Red Spot. Researchers suggest that the new spot may be related to a possible major climate change in Jupiter's atmosphere.

Dubbed by some astronomers as "Red Spot Jr.," the new spot has been followed by amateur and professional astronomers for the past few months. But Hubble's new images provide a level of detail comparable to that achieved by NASA's Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft as they flew by Jupiter a quarter-century ago.

Before it mysteriously changed to the same color as the Great Red Spot, the smaller spot was known as the White Oval BA. It formed after three white oval-shaped storms merged during 1998 to 2000. At least one or two of the progenitor white ovals can be traced back to 90 years ago, but they may have been present earlier. A third spot appeared in 1939. (The Great Red Spot has been visible for the past 400 years, ever since earthbound observers had telescopes to see it).

When viewed at near-infrared wavelengths (specifically 892 nanometers -- a methane gas absorption band) Red Spot Jr. is about as prominent in Jupiter's cloudy atmosphere as the Great Red Spot. This may mean that the storm rises miles above the top of the main cloud deck on Jupiter just as its larger cousin is thought to do. Some astronomers think the red hue could be produced as the spots dredge up material from deeper in Jupiter's atmosphere, which is then chemically altered by the Sun�s ultraviolet light.

Researchers think the Hubble images may provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global climate change that will alter its average temperature at some latitudes by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit. The transfer of heat from the equator to the planet's south pole is predicted to nearly shut off at 34 degrees southern latitude, the latitude where the second red spot is forming. The effects of the shut-off were predicted by Philip Marcus of the University of California, Berkeley (UCB) to become apparent approximately seven years after the White Oval collisions in 1998 to 2000.

Two teams of astronomers were given discretionary time on Hubble to observe the new red spot.

See images here: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2006/19/

B.J.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
I TOLD you..! DON'T! call me JUNIOR!!
 
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
"My God... It's full of stars!"

--Jonah
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
Its caused by all the emissions from the Jovians driving SUVs.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Neat.
 
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
What Jovial pollution?

Something to tell out great-great-great-great-great grand kids about I guess.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
What do we tell the closeted ones?
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
And on a similar-but-only-slightly note..

Saturn's moon Titan has dunes

Saturn's moon Titan has huge regions covered with dunes, possibly made out of ice crystals, sand or some other unknown material, international space scientists reported on Thursday.
 
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
 
What ever became of the comet impacts on Jupiter a few years back?
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Nothing really, It's not like you can measure the effects of a comet impact on a Gas Giant as it doesn't leave craters.

I saw something on TV about the dunes on Titan. Very interesting. They said they may be composed of water ice or organic components...
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Where can we see the Huygens movie that article talks about?
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
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Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Nothing really, It's not like you can measure the effects of a comet impact on a Gas Giant as it doesn't leave craters.

Remarkably untrue.

Titan Descent Data Movie with Bells and Whistles

They aren't kidding about the bells and whistles part.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
There's way too many links there for me to click, So I'll just take your word for it.

Gah! Stupid typos!
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I know that God hates our chemical work
 
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I wonder why the lens was so convex.
 
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Sol, we will tell them about the price of gas, or, since we'll be quite senile (sp?) by then we can tell them how great Bush II was for our ruler.

The dunes don't seem very exciting though, compared to Jr anyway.
 
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
 
I don't understand why they sped up the end of the video. I'd think if anything that'd be the part we'd want to see more of. Also all the beeping and flashing confuses my tiny cave-man brain. Neat science though.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
All the zips and zings apparently correspond to some instrument or readout or something, but I certainly haven't been able to decode them, despite the instructions provided.

And is the end of it sped up? More so than the rest, I mean? I don't think the batteries lasted all that long once it got to the surface. Wikipedia has this to say:
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The main mission phase was a parachute descent through Titan's atmosphere. The batteries and all other resources were sized for a Huygens mission duration of 153 minutes, corresponding to a maximum descent time of 2.5 hours plus at least 3 additional minutes (and possibly a half hour or more) on Titan's surface. The probe's radio link was activated early in the descent phase, and the orbiter "listened" to the probe for the next 3 hours, including the descent phase, and the first thirty minutes after touchdown. Not long after the end of this three-hour communication window, Cassini's high-gain antenna (HGA) was turned away from Titan and toward Earth.

 
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
 
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second paragraph:
The almost four-hour-long operation of the camera is shown in less than five minutes. That's 40 times the actual speed up to landing and 100 times the actual speed thereafter.

I guess after it landed there wouldn't be all that much to see. (except when that terrible space monster came by and poked it with a stick)
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Bah, reading!
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
And on the newest planetary science front...

Three new planets found around sun-like star

Three medium-sized planets of roughly the same mass as Neptune have been discovered around a nearby sun-like star, scientists announced today.
 
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Cool! Unfortunately, I think they're all too close to the star to support human life. But I do find it interesting that they think the two inner planets are rocky planets similar to Mercury, yet they're the mass of Neptune. Those are some big boulders!

B.J.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
So when do we get that array telescope out near Jupiter so we can actually SEE these planets!?!
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Just as soon as Bush's "science" advisors finish wrestling with the theological and philosophical implications of looking too closely at the crystal spheres of the Firmament.
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I think what they mean is that the worlds are LIKE Mercury, in that they are rocky planets with no real atmospheres due to their proximity to their star (Mercury has an orbital period of 88 days). We can't tell their size - only their mass, but if they weigh in like Neptune, they're gonna be bloody big rocky worlds... Much larger than Earth, which is the largest rocky planet around here.

And seeing these planets will be pretty well impossible. We can't see Mercury directly because it's too close to OUR sun. We'll have to improve our telescopic capability a LOT in order to see something far closer to a star forty light years away!

Mark
 
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
I think what they mean is that the worlds are LIKE Mercury, in that they are rocky planets with no real atmospheres due to their proximity to their star (Mercury has an orbital period of 88 days). We can't tell their size - only their mass, but if they weigh in like Neptune, they're gonna be bloody big rocky worlds... Much larger than Earth, which is the largest rocky planet around here.

Isn't that what I said? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
It seems so, but we won't tell Mark.

We really do need faster space travel. Even an umanned probe travelling near c could yield some cool pics in a decent amount of time. I'd be dead, probably my kid too, but his kids could see them.
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
So's your face!

I just can't get used to posting in this forum... Back to Tech I go!

Mark
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2006/pr-18-06.html
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The newly found planets have minimum masses between 10 and 18 times the mass of the Earth. Extensive theoretical simulations favour an essentially rocky composition for the inner planet, and a rocky/gas structure for the middle one. The outer planet has probably accreted some ice during its formation, and is likely to be made of a rocky/icy core surrounded by a quite massive envelope. Further calculations have also shown that the system is in a dynamically stable configuration.

The outer planet also appears to be located near the inner edge of the habitable zone, where liquid water can exist at the surface of rocky/icy bodies. Although this planet is probably not Earth-like due to its heavy mass, its discovery opens the way to exciting perspectives.


 
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
1st of a double post, oops.

As Paul has said,

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Well, okay then.

So anything living on that one will be very short.
 


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