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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I'm sitting here watching Day After Tomorrow with a friend and they just talked about a mammoth in the NYC Natural History Museum... they said it was found with food still in its mouth and stomach, indicating it was instantly frozen while grazing. Any NYC'ers (or people who've been to the NHM) around to tell me if there's really a mammoth in there? And any paleoclimatology buffs to tell me if they ever really found a mammoth frozen instantly like that? I'm guessing not but I thought I'd ask.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Define "instantly." Frozen dead things have stomach contents that are also frozen. This is not surprising.

http://www.acnatsci.org/museum/jefferson/otherFossils/mammuthus.html

Get caught out in a surprise blizzard someday and you can preserve your last meal too.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Guess what Daniel, The Day After Tomarrow was a movie. A work of fiction. A cool story told to entertain the masses at an exaggerated cost. Damn, 4 dollars for a cup of Pepsi...

While the movie may have been based on some scientific study, however loosely that term can be used is up to the individual, I found that instant freeze thing to be pretty far fetched.
 
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Ah... so what does the frozen animals have to do with food in their stomachs?
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Here you go Daniel: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/pin/pinpleist.html

They say they have stomach contents there.

I didn't know there were Woolly Rhinos!! Those Irish Elk look crazy large too!
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Hey Da_Bang: I understand the movie's scientific fallacies, I was just wondering if I could count this among them. I sure as hell didn't spend the money to go see it in the theatre...

Well, AndrewR and Sol, they said frozen still in its *mouth* too, not just its stomach, as if it hadn't even had a chance to swallow. It was just in support of the whole insta-freeze thing they had going on in that movie, some mumbo jumbo about air being pulled down from the upper atmosphere in the eye of the superstorm.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
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Originally posted by AndrewR:
Here you go Daniel: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/pin/pinpleist.html

They say they have stomach contents there.

I didn't know there were Woolly Rhinos!! Those Irish Elk look crazy large too!

Have you seen an Irish Wolfhound? Those are bloody huge dogs man. Bigger than a St. bernard, just not as stocky.
 
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I thought that movie was ok, mainly for the fact that they let the whole city die in the flood, instead of just killing one or two people like in !VOLCANO!.
That's one movie I have never heard anyone even mention since its premiere. Not even bad enough to be brought up as an example, just...swoosh.

Technically it sounds feasible that a cold wind (getting colder the faster it moves) could shock a person or animal to death. It doesn't need to freeze the mammoth or navy chump solid on the spot, just surprise them with a ten second gust that lowers their brain temperature one or two degrees, that's it. Then they can take the time to freeze into an ice cube after that.

Same as the Sauron-thing.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
But in the movie, it WAS insta-freeze. The whole flooded Manhattan island froze into one giant icecube in seconds. Something about a temp drop of 10 degrees (F) per second.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Wait, wait. You're suggesting that big budget summer popcorn movies might contain. . . exaggerations?
 
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Cartman, I'm dying of laughter. Where'd you find that jpg?
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Google!!

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Posted by Chris (Member # 71) on :
 
www.orlyowl.com
 
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
The helicopters freezing in mid-flight were particularly amusing/stupid.
 
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
Damn those crazy owls!
 


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