Gee...looks like a Mac!
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Gee I wonder why...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I have to admit, based on the screenshots I've been seeing (they've been around for many months, actually), this is the first version of Windows that actually looks nice. Of course, beauty is often only skin-deep. Underneath, it's certainly still just the same old Windows...
Posted by Chris (Member # 71) on :
I currently have Vista installed on a partition. I never boot into it anymore because of all the security nonsense. You can't create an administrator account that has all priviledges...
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
No it isn't.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Vista, unlike the 98-XP conversion is a totally new OS with a scratch built kernel. Meaning that all the problems with 98-XP security will (hopefully) be fixed. Those pics look nice, but it doesn't look like the Aero thing was enabled. It's supposed to be like some 3 dimensional desktop thing. Supposed to be very cool.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Da_Bang: Except that Windows 2000/XP was ALSO a completely separate kernel foundation from the 95-98-Me line. And yet they both had all the same problems.
Regardless, have you read those examples about Vista requiring 35 clicks to install a program? Or even 7 clicks just to delete a default shortcut from the desktop? Microsoft is completely overcompensating for their security problems, to the point where it's going to be incredibly frustrating for many ordinary users. (Chris has already proved my point, unintentionally. More below.)
I realize that Microsoft has spent a lot of time trying to rebuild Windows here, but there are already reports of security flaws coming out, before the damn thing's launched. So forgive me if I'm skeptical when people claim that Vista is going to usher in this grand renaissance for the Windows platform.
quote:Originally posted by Chris: You can't create an administrator account that has all priviledges...
Funny you should say that. That's the entire point of permissions-based security. The administrator account does NOT have ultimate control of the system; that's reserved for the superuser (aka "root") account. This is one of the things that Microsoft is doing RIGHT with Vista, because it cuts off the easy avenues of attack for viruses and worms. (The fact that they have too many annoying messages to enforce that security is a different matter, though.) Permissions are handled similarly on every other desktop operating system currently available (Mac, Linux, Unix...).
EDIT: Clarification for Cartman... what I meant when I said "Vista is still the same old Windows" is that there's still going to be security breaches from sloppy or rushed coding, it's still doing little but mimicking and reacting to other competitors or perceived competitors, and it's still a monolithic, monopolistic system that forces everyone to pay homage (or rather, taxes) to Redmond. Rewriting the kernel isn't going to solve that.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Then you should have said "made by the same old Microsoft", since that's an entirely different assertion.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
The operating system isn't even out yet and people are already complaining. I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
I'm excited about Vista for several reasons, two of them being Halo 2 PC and Crysis. Another is DirectX10 which those two games will utilize.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: Lucked into some Vista screenshots on another forum. Gee...looks like a Mac!
It's the font.
Err and what happened to this '3d' set up it was supposed to have?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: The operating system isn't even out yet and people are already complaining. I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
I'm excited about Vista for several reasons, two of them being Halo 2 PC and Crysis. Another is DirectX10 which those two games will utilize.
Are these the physics card games? Will they utilise a pci slot or another slot - i'm already using all my pci slots.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: I'm sure that they're going to polish off these little quirks into a program that's at least as useful as XP.
That's not saying much.
Seriously, the last time I used Windows XP, it was crashing on startup just because there was an iPod connected. I had to remember to disconnect the iPod every time I rebooted, or I'd end up with that pretty blue screen.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Andrew: I don't believe they're physics card games, although I'm sure the physics card will surely help. They're going to make use of directX10 graphics cards which are coming out next year.
Minutiae: Really? Since I bought my new rig last year I've never seen a blue screen. I blame the Ipod.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I rebooted my (XP) computer a couple times today with my iPod connected and no trouble.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Minutiae: Really? Since I bought my new rig last year I've never seen a blue screen. I blame the Ipod.
Typical. Blame the external device. I don't know why Windows was choking on it, but I can guarantee that there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the iPod. (We did check, BTW; I even erased-and-restored it personally using a separate machine, and Windows still had the same problem. Oh, and it was a FAT-formatted iPod, not Mac-formatted.)
Also, the reason you've never seen a blue screen is because Microsoft decided to change XP's behavior so it automatically reboots whenever it crashes. But one still sees the blue screen for a second before the restart.
Posted by Chris (Member # 71) on :
Um... are you on crack? XP definately has a blue screen and it definately doesn't reboot automatically. I had plenty of blue screens come up on my last machine. But then again, it wasn't XP's fault - the hard disk was dying.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Been on XP for about 5 years, never had a crash.
I'm glad they replaced the "Start" button with just a Windows icon. That just never made much sense.
Any idea what they're showing with these screenshots? It looks like they're creating different virtual desktops, creating icons in the process called "vista1", "vista2", etc.
Does anyone know if we can create our own color schemes again? I know you can do it with XP, but it requires a separate hack program.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
One would hope.
FWIW, I do think it looks awfully pretty. I worry that the draconian security measures may interfere in the user being able to enjoy and appreciate that look. Also I'm somewhat skeptical about it's ability to keep pace security-wise with the ever resourceful hacker community (what percentage of the Netherlands is devoted to making software companies look silly on the internet, btw? Keep up the good work, Dutch guys)
I too am a rabid Mac user, but I do feel obligated to point out that OS X wasn't exactly the cat's pyjamas initially. It's gotten a lot better in the intervening years that it's been out. *cough*
Also, gadgets? C'mon, don't even try to tell me they didn't get that from Apple's dashboard widgets. Silly.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
XP reboots automatically by default, at least every version I've seen does. I always turn that off, annoys the crap out of me.
quote:Seriously, the last time I used Windows XP, it was crashing on startup just because there was an iPod connected. I had to remember to disconnect the iPod every time I rebooted, or I'd end up with that pretty blue screen.
Run the command "sfc /scannow" with your install disc in the drive. In fact, run that every so often whether you have problems or not. It's a great way to fix minor bugs, checks all your system files against the originals and fixes them.
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