quote:"He also told police and animal shelter workers that he wanted to get rid of the cat because it was “possessive, greedy and wasteful” as well as “mean.”"
Sooo...a cat, then
I want to know why he thought it was a smart idea to marinate it alive...was he planning to eat the pelt, too? Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's awesome- I'm printing that out so I can read the story to my cat.
It might even give her pause as she suns herself from the confort of the sofa... But I doubt it: her vocabulary list includes such notables as "Treat" and "MOVE!" but not "marinate". Yet. We'lll discuss that one when she destroys another couch.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Why is it that these sorts of stories never end with an appropriate line such as "the suspect is being held pending a psychiatric evaluation"?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Or "the suspect was forced to take the place of the animal he was abusing."
Anyone who abuses animals should have to endure the same abuse.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Ehhh....that's a bit too eye-for-an-eye for me.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Some jackass here in Fort lauderdale decided to punish his grade-school son for not cleaning up his room by throwing his son's puppy off the balcony- fifteen floors to the pavement- while his son watched in horror.
Judge gave that asshole ten years in prison- the maximum animal cruelty sentence.
a lot of people were shocked and outraged that this man should have a sentece greater than most manslaughter convictions but I disagree. Whith good behavior he'll be out in four to six years.
That's long enough for his son to be capable of knocking the crap out of him for killing his dog.
Of course, the case is in appeals, and, sadly, the dad is out of jail pending the appeal.
Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: I want to know why he thought it was a smart idea to marinate it alive...was he planning to eat the pelt, too? [/QB]
Given this guy claimed a neutered male cat was pregnant, I really wouldn't bet on the "thought" part of things ever having taken place... Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
At least he wasn't on his way to the Erie County Fair. Sometimes I wonder what kind of meat is in some of the food they sell there...
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Probably shouldn't say what I would do if I caught someone doing that. But it would involve a rope and a motorcycle Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sean: At least he wasn't on his way to the Erie County Fair. Sometimes I wonder what kind of meat is in some of the food they sell there...
In the Civil War, they used to call Cat meat "roof rabbit".
But hey, those guys were starving. I tell my cat all the time that in a hurricaine, she's "emergency rations". Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I bet cat meat tastes awful.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, but it's probably really tender. All my wife's idiot cat does all day is lay around and look at me like I'm stupid. I'm guessing he's marbled nicely with fat.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not mine- she sleeps all day and has bursts of hyper speed and energy at night- I'm thinking she's lean and juicy.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I read that meat from other predators has a bitter taste, from their diet of proteins.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
As i've slowly learned during Terminal Leave from the Navy, the cats usually have various lotus positions around the house, usually in dad's room (if its Trouble) or just spralled on the floor (If its Lady)
in fact the only times i ever see Trouble is when he comes up stairs when im gaming, loudly announces his presence then demands something. it could be treats. it could be cat crack. it could be he wants me to lift him to the basement window sill (he could jump it but he knows me). or that he wants to go out (on leesh).
in short, he owns the house & if i want to eat a Ham&swiss in peace, i gotta close the bedroom door & put on the headphones... cause if i hear him or see a paw from under the door... i lose it from the Awwwwwwwe factor...
am i screwed as a new civilian? o.O
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
heh That paw under the door thing is pretty cute, but I still used to spray the thing with water when it bugged me. MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWOOOWOWOWO....*spritz spritz* NYEEEEEER *run*
Heh.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I just got a fun IM from my wife. Our cute little bundle of joy as once again peed on our living room carpet. The living room that I just paid to have cleaned of his urine. So now we have to pull the carpet up and tear out the padding... little freak.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
When I used to accidentally leave the door to the litterbox-room closed, my cat would shit on my bed, then sit down next to it and *wait for me*, meow insolently at me, and saunter off.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I just got a fun IM from my wife. Our cute little bundle of joy as once again peed on our living room carpet. The living room that I just paid to have cleaned of his urine. So now we have to pull the carpet up and tear out the padding... little freak.
I heard that if you leave a few little bowls of cat food near where he does a job, it'll discourage him from using your carpet. I guess they don't like using a certain area if there's food nearby or something.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: When I used to accidentally leave the door to the litterbox-room closed, my cat would shit on my bed, then sit down next to it and *wait for me*, meow insolently at me, and saunter off.
That's what I love about cats, a dog would just do it on the floor, but a cat's smart enough really let you know you goofed.
My neighbors old cat used to sleep on his face in the morning to get him up for work (and also to feed him). They actually just rescued a litter of kittens after the mother vanished. 2 of them didn't make it, but I'm hoping to be able to keep one once they're old enough.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I was once told a story by some very old lady who was around in the 30's about how during the Blitz in London it was safest not to ask what kind of meat it was you had on your plate.
She said that cat tastes a bit like rabbit but less tasty.
Given the smell of the stuff my cat eats I don't want to know what he tastes like.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
In fact, thanks to my crappy router, I neally recalled this gem twice.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Now I need to try rabbit....lotta people around here have had *squirrel.*
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Pore enough A-1 sauce, itll taste like A-1 sauce... or my penis.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: I was once told a story by some very old lady who was around in the 30's about how during the Blitz in London it was safest not to ask what kind of meat it was you had on your plate.
Same thing happened in France during the Hundred Year war. Where do you think French cuisine came from? Just because the nobility was forced to eat rat just like the rest of the starving masses didn't mean it had to look or taste like rat.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The French are not the brightest when it comes to felines- during the Black Plague, half of Paris was infected or dead and someone decided to blame the cats- leading to the Great Cat Massacre.
Of course, this was before cats became anyone's pets- that's a recent thing, really.
So the rivers were clogged with dead cats and the people celebrated...untill the rat population, which was only kept in check by the cats, exploded, spreading the disease to the remainder of the citizens of Paris.
Months later, those that fled the city or lived nearby "repopulated" Paris.
Man, not a day goes by that the Pessimist's Guide to History does not come in handy. Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
This weekend I had moose. Moose calf, even. For two days. Eyes-rolling-back-in-head good. Giant pot filled with dark stew, shallot and a few good taters.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'm alerting PETA to your ISP- expect a decrepit Pamela Anderson to pickett your house.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I...I regret nothing.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Nim's chest cavity was found stuffed with tofu, animal cruelty pamphlets and what appear to be silicone lip implants: witnesses report seeing a manlike figure in a red women's swimsuit fleeing the crime scene- "Hideous" was the description one badly shaken neighbor gave to police.
His murder remains unsolved.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Man am I glad I asked Jenny McCarthy to babysit my cat dressed like a lumberjack while I went out to IKEA for novelty wash cloths.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
does she still do A2M films?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
No, now she just does kill-children-with-obsolete-diseases-because-she-thinks-medicine-is-fake films.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
For the kind of bread Jenny receives from the alternative medicine people, I'd eat a mess of novelty wash cloths.
And speaking of loopy dames, today I saw this thing. Perhaps not as premeditated as the thread topic, but the end result would've surely been the same, had it not been for the intervention of human beings.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Yeah, I saw an article on that on some online version of some British paper. I love how people will freak out so much about a cat in a bin for 15 hours but let so many crimes against humans go with nary a "hell no."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Our tolerance for animal cruelty is far lower than that of cruelty towards humans- the animals that usually get abused are dependant on humans for everything and everyone has had a pet at some point in their life.
That unconditional love gets pets a lot of sympathy.
Except chimpanzees- those fuckers practice infanticide. I say we let Revlon do with them what they will!
As to crazy Jenny, I'm sure she sleeps better knowing that Polio is making an unprecedented comeback. Maybe she can get a gig promoting leg braces and wheelchairs for all those kids.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I just wish people would realize it isn't love so much as dependence, like you say...I don't believe animals are capable of love in the same way humans are. Cuz they're not humans.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
isn't love in its lesser, more simplier math... dependence? o.O 'cause you make a very cool point, Danny...
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Daniel:
quote:I just wish people would realize it isn't love so much as dependence, like you say...I don't believe animals are capable of love in the same way humans are. Cuz they're not humans.
Um, you're not capable of elephant love, either. And not just because you lack an erection you could part your hair with (unlike yours truly). All the provable qualities in love that humans have exist among animals too. The qualities of love we claim are unique to us are subjective and undefinable.
To turn it completely around, the love a child has towards a parent can be just as transparent "dependence" affection as that from a pet. A child could be just as "loving" towards a distant grandparent or kind total stranger who provided the same roof, food, bed and hugs as "mommy", especially if mommy and daddy were frigid assholes.
Regarding dependence, many animals can still be loyal to a person despite doing their own hunting or foraging, because of social bonding. To the point of self-sacrifice, if necessary.
In short, don't waste too much energy telling people to look their gift horses/kitties/puppies in the mouth. People realize it's not love they get from animals, but animals (even snakes) know about mutual gratification, and that's what counts.
I know it can be irritating to see people waste a minor fortune on pulling out some prize animal stuck in a mine, and yet not waste a penny on a village being decimated by smog nextdoor, but that's just how we work. We are taught from birth to respond to symbols (and billboards).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Nim's right on this- animals may love in their own species-specific way, but it's still love.
No animal is showing dependence when it give affection- it's not like they believe the food will stop coming if they are not nice- some animals are loving and others are jerks regardless.
Animals are more vulnerable to human depravity and so we get more upset when we learn of them being abused. Same with children- there's a knee-jerk reaction to defend them from harm.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Nim's right on this- animals may love in their own species-specific way, but it's still love.
No animal is showing dependence when it gives affection- it's not like they believe the food will stop coming if they are not nice- some animals are loving and others are jerks regardless. Yoy become part of their pack/family and they become part of yours.
Animals are more vulnerable to human depravity and so we get more upset when we learn of them being abused. Same with children- there's a knee-jerk reaction to defend them from harm.
[ August 28, 2010, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Well, agree to disagree on this one. It depends a lot on definitions too. I mean, like Nim basically said, try defining love.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
i went out on a date yesterday eve... after a hour fiaco at Starbucks (where is she?)[In the Car, nervous](why didnt she call?)[She texted you twist, dumb shit but the phone was in your pocket with the tomtom which abosorbs vibrations when you engroosed on yuotube, you stupid dumb shit!], we waited an hour for to see 'teh expendables' which ended up being 5 good guys vs 5 bad guys instead of the 10 good guys vs the planet. still glorious mindless violence... and after the giggles and laughter, when we parted... and i got home, traded textes making sure we both gots the home safes... i got into the house, to be interogated by Trouble, who thought [We going out/you gonna make a hamjd sandwich for me to share/ kitty crack 4 me?]...
im pretty sure lady just perked her ears, listened, lawned then went back to sleep...
my cats rule the house. i just rent... Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Daniel:
quote:Well, agree to disagree on this one. It depends a lot on definitions too. I mean, like Nim basically said, try defining love.
What I said was that when it comes to that, we are more like animals than animals are unlike us. It might seem trivial to you but in social anthropology, it's certainly a big deal. ;
But the main point here was "What's the big fuss about one cat, when humans are more important?". That's a bit of a blind spot, it's only half of the issue in this case. What if it hadn't been an old lady, but a 30-year old kindergarten teacher? What if the garbage bin had instead been a lidded waterfilled barrel? And what if this wasn't the first time?
What affects people in news like this isn't just the victim but the perp, hence the picketing outside her house. Lack of empathy is a really bad road to go down, especially when combined with disgust towards trusting creatures, too often these are a gateway to sociopathy. That's why animal rights organizations have an important part to play in society (even though they get portrayed as soft and melodramatic by some), because they are just as much protecting humans as animals, by confronting and holding to account behavior that, if unchecked, lessens us as a group. [/sermon
As for people not caring about human suffering in the news, that's media desensitization, one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
or simple mathmatics...
as long as Mother Nature/the bad guy with the gun & loose morals/evil dictator bent on world reconstruction keeps reminding us that, regardless of our so-called high morals & belief systems that we estemm to achieve, survivors of the fittest will still toss all your religious devices into the fire to keep it going during the zombie fail-nation/dead-to-the-world/aliens attack...
but yeah, nobody cares what happens in Boreno... they are too busy worried about whats going on Boreno Street...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: As for people not caring about human suffering in the news, that's media desensitization, one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century.
Read some early 19th century papers sometime- lovely photographs of bullet riddeled bodies propped up like prize-winning fish trophies.
We may actually be more sensitive than we were back then- if only because most of the murders we wintess are not real.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I do remember seeing a few news photos of executed mexican freedom fighters (and the excited people posing with them), but what I meant specifically was media desensitizing viewers/readers, not themselves. News shows and magazines have covered misery and tragedy in developing nations for empathy value ever since the 1970's tv revolution (mostly thanks to Vietnam), but instead part of the population loses the ability to differentiate between countries and tragedies, simply writing off all of asia and africa as "hopeless" and ignoring it from then on, subconsciously or not.
This phenomenon stems partly from the fact that there are relatively few solutions being showcased in daily foreign news, you'd have to look into very specific monthly news literature to see constructive articles (detailing projects and programs) regarding the developing nations.
On the destructive side, I remember a particularily reckless broadcast from Fox news a few years ago, where Bill O'Reilly embraces and even promotes indifference regarding third world problems, saying to his guests (paraphrased) "If I have to watch one more clip of brown people crying to the camera about something, I'm going to puke".
quote:We may actually be more sensitive than we were back then- if only because most of the murders we wintess are not real.
I'm not sure that's the main cause, but yes, I'm sure there are more humanitarians alive today than any other century, between better education, higher living standards and freedom of thought (coinciding with the slipping grasp of the church as a domineering institution).
But assuming simulated murder (in books, theater, movies and TV) makes us conscious of it in a positive way, would you then say that video games improve people's humanity?
(for the record, I don't believe games create murderers, what few deaths there have been through games like Counterstrike and World of Warcraft have come from frustration, jealousy and "sore loser" rage, and those people would've done the same thing if they got cheated out of a trophy in a dart contest too, the computer game is not the culprit)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
While I certainly dont thnk games or movies cause people to commit murder or violent crimes, I do think that when people see images of real bloodshed they have no empathy or careing over it- not when they've seen graphic sadism through the lens of things like the Saw movies.
On a possibly related note, there were two incidents of gun violence wherein teens used machine guns to indimidate others- leading to a stray shot shooting a mother in her own home. The shooting incident was several teens waving guns at each other's faces and threatening to shoot each other- leading one to go get an AK-47 and up the ante.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
I had a feeling someone would link that. Part of me was holding off on linking it until news of identification and manhunt of the responsible had come up, but like the soldier who threw a puppy over the side of a cliff and that asian girl who stepped on a kitten's head with her stiletto heel, they probably won't be found.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Evil is always easier to be than Good. Why do you think Evil thrives in 3rd world countries?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Evil is always easier to be than Good."
Um... Maybe, if you're a psychopath.
"Why do you think Evil thrives in 3rd world countries?"
Because the people there are too poor and downtrodden to do anything about it when the handful of evil dudes take over?
After all, if it were so easy, and everyone wanted to do it, wouldn't it thrive everywhere?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
true... i am being quick to judge on this...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Evil will always triumph over Good. Because Good is dumb.
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Today the cat, tomorrow the mailman.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I have a amail-person: and she's succulent and beefy. All that walking makes those calves a prime cut, methinks.
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