The above debate style seems to be used by both sides of the debate. Just once I would love to see the topic of creation/evolution discussed by people earnestly trying to understand each others' opinions and beliefs on this subject. Instead, I generally see a lot of people calling each other poopy-heads. Yes, it does seem that childish.

If we can, could we have a discussion of the subject above with each and every person stating what he believes and why without having to note that the person who posted that message right above his must have a tenuous grasp of reality (if any) or is, possibly, just plain stupid? I really would like to hear everyone's opinions on this and other subjects.

Perhaps we need a civil discourse forum to counter the flameboard. Then perhaps we won't feel obligated to find the hornet's nest and stir things up?

--Baloo

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You do appear to be a minority in as far as your beliefs go and I for one, although do not share them, certainly admire you in sticking up for them and being prepared to argue in a calm and logical manner which you are, especially when its comparatively easy for your opponents to try to ridicule your position rather than argue against them.

I don't think you are a nut, madman or a religious maniac bent on putting science back to the 15th century. However, unfortunately, you are sometimes likely to be viewed in this way especially when you consider the 'arguements' put forward by others. One post I do remember seeing on a usenet group was something like "science says that you can't create matter but when a mother gives birth to a baby she is doing just that so science must be wrong" With people like that on your side, you really don't need any opponents!

"science says that you can't create matter but when a mother gives birth to a baby she is doing just that so science must be wrong."

More proof that God has a whacked sense of humor.

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I've known nuts. I've argued with nuts. I've been physically attacked by nuts. You aren't nuts.

Just wrong. No big deal, we're all wrong once in a while.

I didn't believe in Creation until I encountered a struggling young man who couldn't come to Christ until someone told him how to reconcile Creation. I told him, "Well...you think Christ could die and rise again?" He said yes. I said, "Well, what makes you think God couldn't create the world and everything else in a week?"

I didn't even really believe what I told him, but as I watched that kid be born again I decided I had to accept the entire Bible, not just the parts I thought were possible!

It's one's responsiblity to make sure we don't have something clogging up our ears. We must be individuals, decide what is right, and take our chance.

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God works in mysterious ways, eh, Bryce? : ) I was hoping you'd show up in here sometime. If you have evidence in favor of Creation that can be presented without religious connotation, then please join me in the C vs. E debate.

First:

The problem was within the young man himself. If you want to know why he needed an answer, you'd have to ask him. Unless, of course, he told Bryce...

Ziyal:

Another thing we believe is that the men who wrote the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit. And as I'm showingin C vs. E, Earth can't be any more than a couple dozen millenia old. And some of their legends don't explain where Earth came from. It's just there. The Norse believed that a bull licked a hole in a block of salt, and three gods were inside, or something like that. The Inuit believe that woman cut a hole in the ice and pulled all the animals out (well, except Amoraq, the wolf; that came later).

Perhaps they're the same waters that Raven dug the Earth up out of. Or the Maori gods pulled up fish from to make New Zealand.

But more likely, they're ALL just myths.