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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Raven: [QB] You can back this up, I suppose? Or is this just another example of, "they're Chinese, so they're OBVIOUSLY lying because the US would NEVER lie!" "Isn't that what the plane was doing? It's crew was employed by the US military" You forgot a part of the definition. "Secretly" this plane was not doing it secretly, it was pretty out in the open, where anyone can(and did) see. Hence, it was conducting survelliance, not "spying." "Couldn't an intelligence gathering plane be considered a spy plane?" Words are very important, especially in politics, Jeff. You of all people should know that. "The pilot couldn't have turned the plane suddenly?" Not fast enough that the F8 jet wouldn't notice, and do you honestly think our plane would jeopardize the crew to pull such a stunt? Doubtful. The possibility of it happening is very minute. "18-wheelers crash into Ferraris all the time, dude." Really? Wow, that's pretty expensive. Whatever car would be in its path is moot. They'd have to be sitting there in the direct path to get hit. "I think the real issue here is, was our plane in international air-space or not?" It's been said over and over again, we were in International Airspace. Why would we send a a giant, lumbering Radar elephant into someone else's airspace?? If it wasn't in Chinese air space... it away, right?" Not necessarily. International airspace is free. China can do what they want. The fact that they don't or can't doesn't come up. "is NOT apologizing really worth it?" Really worth what? "If the Chinese have been constantly sending up planes to buzz ours, then it's pretty damn clear that we've been provoking them." Provoking them? In International airspace? "Oh -- I see. The Chinese ordered one of their pilots to fly into our plane. Yeah. Sure. Whatever. " I didn't say that, you did. If anything, the pilot thought he'd be cool by buzzing the plane, got too close and paid for it. "Now, come on: the Chinese are ruthlessly paranoid about protecting their homeland. How many times have they been invaded? They're going to be a lot more sensative when they feel someone is making a possibly hostile or unfriendly move to violating their sovereignity." Again, in international airspace? "And all they want is an apology." They want to test the new president, and want to find out how far they can push. The Chinese simply want a "so sorry, we won't do it again", and what's the US reply? "Tough shit." Why apologize when we haven't done anything wrong? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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