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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JeffKardde: [QB] [QUOTE]You forgot a part of the definition. "Secretly" this plane was not doing it secretly, it was pretty out in the open, where anyone can(and did) see. Hence, it was conducting survelliance, not "spying."[/QUOTE] How many times do I have to post the definition of spying, Jeff? [i]An agent employed by a state to obtain secret information, especially of a military nature, concerning its potential or actual enemies. [/i] Where do you see "secret"? [QUOTE]Words are very important, especially in politics, Jeff. You of all people should know that.[/QUOTE] The military can call it an intel gathering plane all it wants -- it's pretty clear it's still a spy plane. [QUOTE]Not fast enough that the F8 jet wouldn't notice, and do you honestly think our plane would jeopardize the crew to pull such a stunt? Doubtful. The possibility of it happening is very minute.[/QUOTE] But the possibility still exists. Since we don't know exactly what happened, let's wait until we do to make conclusions, hum? [QUOTE]Really? Wow, that's pretty expensive. Whatever car would be in its path is moot. They'd have to be sitting there in the direct path to get hit.[/QUOTE] You don't do much driving, do you? Accidents happen ALL the time. Large trucks hit small cars all the time. [QUOTE]It's been said over and over again, we were in International Airspace. Why would we send a a giant, lumbering Radar elephant into someone else's airspace??[/QUOTE] Why would we send a giant lumbering Rader elephant so close to someone's airspace they would feel the need to send up a fighter to scare it away? Oh, right, we were spying ... [QUOTE]Provoking them? In International airspace?[/QUOTE] Yes. Provoking them. If our plane was flying down their coast just outside of their airspace, they could look at that as an unfriendly act. In other words: they could be provoked. I mean, who wants an intell gathering plane flying down their coast gathering info? [QUOTE]I didn't say that, you did. If anything, the pilot thought he'd be cool by buzzing the plane, got too close and paid for it.[/QUOTE] So, without any info as to what might've happened, you just automaticly discount American pilot error. Talk about jumping to conclusions. [QUOTE]Again, in international airspace?[/QUOTE] I refrain from calling you names, even though you clearly don't get it. International airspace doesn't begin ten or fifteen miles away from a country's coast, it begins much much [i]much[/i] closer. Besides, would YOU allow a spy-plane (I'm sorry: intelligence gathering plane) to fly down YOUR coast? It's a provocation, whether inside or outside of international airspace or not. The US is guilty of the same behavior as the Chinese: sending up fighters to scare the thing away. [QUOTE]They want to test the new president, and want to find out how far they can push.[/QUOTE] Maybe our new President should try and make relations friendly and apologize for sending an "intell-gathering" plane down the Chinese coast, huh? [QUOTE]Why apologize when we haven't done anything wrong?[/QUOTE] The Chinese view what they see as a spy-plane sent down their coast [i]spying[/i] on them as something wrong. Therefore, they deserve an apology. Also, you're again completely jumping to conclusions before all the evidence is in. You don't know the pilot didn't committ an error, do you? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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