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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Raven: [QB] "How many times do I have to post the definition of spying, Jeff?" It would appear that the only part of the definition that you posted that counts is the one that sustains your point, right? Is this another case of what the definition of "is" is? [QUOTE] One who secretly keeps watch on another or others. [/QUOTE] And I think that Shik has also resolved this issue. "Since we don't know exactly what happened, let's wait until we do to make conclusions, hum?" Fine, we'll wait. However, an apology isn't necessary unless you make conclusions, is it? "Large trucks hit small cars all the time." I could look it up, but I'm sure that when trucks hit small cars, it's usually due the small car doing something stupid. "Why would we send a giant lumbering Radar elephant so close to someone's airspace they would feel the need to send up a fighter to scare it away?" That is assuming we were "so close" to their airspace, and that the fighter was sent up to scare it way. Take note what you said about jumping to conclusions. "If our plane was flying down their coast just outside of their airspace, they could look at that as an unfriendly act." Then what is the point of having any airspace boundaries at all? Remember that when I drive by your city. "Talk about jumping to conclusions." You're one to talk, Mr. Let's Apologize Now. "I refrain from calling you names," I should hope so. This discussion is getting good, and I don't think it should be bogged down with something as low-class as name-calling. "International airspace doesn't begin ten or fifteen miles away from a country's coast, it begins much much much closer." I have one source that says it begins at 20 miles and one that says 12 miles(does not specify whether its air or seas though). What's your source? "It's a provocation, whether inside or outside of international airspace or not." China has every right to fly their F8 jet near our plane, as much right as we have to fly our plane in international airspace. That is not the issue. China wants an apology for the plane crashing into their fighter. Not because the EP-3 was out there, but because it crashed into their F8. Since there is no evidence to suggest that such a thing happened, why apologize when it can't be proven we've done anything wrong? "Maybe our new President should try and make relations friendly and apologize for sending an "intell-gathering" plane down the Chinese coast, huh? " Again, we have done nothing wrong. Why apologize? "The Chinese view what they see as a spy-plane sent down their coast spying on them as something wrong. Therefore, they deserve an apology." They want an apology for the crash, not the flying near their airspace. check cnn.com, and read. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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