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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shik: [QB] Oh, she's very MUCH a member of the mad train. Has a commuter pass, in fact. Her roommate IMed me last night; odd that happened after I stopped thinking about it all. Answers were gained, theories were expounded upon, IF clauses were closed out. A good time was had by all. You're all correct on most points in some respects, but I've not the time to handle all the dynamics here. But...we're digressing. That situation is simply the catalyst for me asking the question. Forget the events in my life that triggered it. I have my own reasons. I'm curious about the thoughts of my fellow geeks, married or single, attached to personages or not. FLY, my pretties!! FLY!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,2,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Taking up Se�or Magnus' call to arms, I pose this question which I recently started a journal entry with:<P>Which does the greater damage, betrayal of the heart or betrayal of the mind?<P>Perhaps later on, I'll reveal the basis behind this one. In the meantime, discuss.<P>------------------<BR>"I�ll never fall inthe arms of someone sincere<BR>I fall just the same<BR>And like before, it's just too hard."<BR> ---Kim Leaman, "Sincere" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Omega</b> <br /><small>Member # 91</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,12,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Clarify the question. Define the terms. Damage to WHOM?<P>------------------<BR>"How do you define fool?"<BR>"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."<BR> - CJ Cherryh, Invader <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ritten</b> <br /><small>Member # 417</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,14,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If in a deep [loving] relationship they are one in the same....<BR>a business relationship is of the mind.<P>heart/soul, mind, and body are all in a deep [loving] relationship, to miss one isn't a good relationship anyway....<P>------------------<BR>"One's ethics are determined by what we do when no one is looking" Nugget<BR><A HREF="http://members.firststep.net/gamma_quadrant/index.html" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek: Gamma Quadrant</A><BR><A HREF="http://members.firststep.net/legacy/index.html" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek: Legacy</A><BR>Read them, rate them, got money, film them<P>"...and I remain on the far side of crazy, I remain the mortal enemy of man, no hundred dollar cure will save me..." WoV<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,15,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's not a case-by-case question, Omega. I'm looking for a generalized opinion on this one.<P>Eventually I'll explain. But for now...I want untainted answers.<P>------------------<BR>"I�ll never fall in the arms of someone sincere<BR>I fall just the same<BR>And like before, it's just too hard."<BR> ---Kim Leaman, "Sincere"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MC Infinity</b> <br /><small>Member # 531</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,15,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:10 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd say betrayal of the heart, it is the one thing that can totally ruin a person and scar them for eternity<P>------------------<BR>"Well if it's gonna be <I>that</I> kind of a party, I'm putting <B>my</B> dick in the mashed potatoes!"<P>-Nimrod 16/4/2001<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,18,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If you let it...<P>------------------<BR>You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."<BR><I>-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park </I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,18,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:54 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Aah fegget it.<p>[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited April 29, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,19,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't think something like this <i>can</i> be accurately generalized.<P>------------------<BR>"Although, from what I understand, having travelled around the Mid-west quite a bit, apparently Jesus is coming, so I guess the choice now is we should decide whether we should spit or swallow."<BR>-Maynard James Keenan <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,21,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <I>:::sighs:::</I> I didn't want to do this so early on...<P><A href="http://shiksworld.iwarp.com/106.html">This</a> is the reason I asked. Heartbreak is one thing...but betrayal or denial of trust... <I>:::shakes head:::</I> I don't know anymore.<P>Yeah.<P>------------------<BR>"I�ll never fall in the arms of someone sincere<BR>I fall just the same<BR>And like before, it's just too hard."<BR> ---Kim Leaman, "Sincere"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MC Infinity</b> <br /><small>Member # 531</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,21,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I got almost halfway, but the beggining was sad enough, and at times it got a little too close to home, so i decided to blame it on lazyness like I always do and I didn't finish the rest, but beleive me when I say I almost know what you feel like.<P>------------------<BR>"Well if it's gonna be <I>that</I> kind of a party, I'm putting <B>my</B> dick in the mashed potatoes!"<P>-Nimrod 16/4/2001<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,22,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Er, I'm actually slightly scared about responding, but if you have an argument with a girl, then "[telling] her that three people had offered to cast spells on her [and] two had said they'd call up hits" doesn't <i>really</i> seem like the sort of behaviour that's going to make her fall back into your arms.<P>'"You're a nice guy....kind of silly....and a bit creepy..."<P>"'Creepy?'"<P>"Yeah...you scare me sometimes...because I can't give you wnat you want."<P>I smiled in amazment and shook my head.'<P>This may be a shock to you, but the sort of people who tell other people that they've put contract killers onto them, well, they do tend to be labelled as "creepy" and "scary". Strange that.<P>------------------<BR>You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."<BR><I>-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park </I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,29,23,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, I'm currently in talks with her roommate; she mentioned that as well.<P>I didn't put out hits. People...offered. I'd never. it'd be too obvious. And spiteful.<P>No matter. I'm getting better now.<P>------------------<BR>"I�ll never fall in the arms of someone sincere<BR>I fall just the same<BR>And like before, it's just too hard."<BR> ---Kim Leaman, "Sincere"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> <br /><small>Member # 38</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,2,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:31 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The very fact that you know people who would, as you say, offer, is IMHO more than a little disturbing.<P>------------------<BR>"I can be creative when I have a good idea. That just happens way too rarely."<BR>-Omega, April 6 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Malnurtured Snay</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,2,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I offered to cut someone into tiny pieces with a pizza cutter and feed them through the oven ... <P>But that doesn't mean I would do it. <P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.majinc-web.com/tokyo/" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek Gamma Quadrant</A><BR>Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with <B>seven</B> eps posted)<BR>***<BR>"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"<BR>-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001<BR>***<BR>"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994. <P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,6,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It sounds like she wasn't ready. But these disputes can't be solved by intellectual "thrust and parry", which you seemed to realize in the end of your entry. <P>I couldn't tell how serious you were when you asked her to marry you in that chatting session, but she might've gotten a tad scared there, even if you were joking.<BR>Maybe then she realized she must withdraw her commitment to you and place it in M instead. Maybe that's what you felt.<P>I know what it's like to wake up and find out you've been barking up the wrong tree. One lesson I've learned is that you must be totally earnest and rightforward with girls, or you might end up on the "friend"-train...<P>------------------<BR>Don't kill me, I'm charming!<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,7,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tim's right. Even mentioning it was a bad idea.<P>"I have friends who offered to kill you! I told them not to!"<P>"Oh. That's cool then. Fancy a sandwhich?"<P>Most people (especially people who aren't passengers of the mad-train), can't just casually brush-off having their friends know killers.<P>------------------<BR>You know, when Comedy Central asked us to do a Thanksgiving episode, the first thought that went through my mind was, "Boy, I'd like to have sex with Jennifer Aniston."<BR><I>-Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park </I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,12,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Interesting.<P>------------------<BR>"It strikes me that there are enough episodes of the Simpsons that people could speak entirely in Simpsonese, using references from the show to explain or describe an endless series of situations. Nelson and Apu . . . at Tinagra.<P>But now I�ve brought Star Trek into it again, haven�t I. Sorry."<P>- James Lileks, 09/04/2001 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,3,30,12,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, she's very MUCH a member of the mad train. Has a commuter pass, in fact.<P>Her roommate IMed me last night; odd that happened after I stopped thinking about it all. Answers were gained, theories were expounded upon, IF clauses were closed out. A good time was had by all.<P>You're all correct on most points in some respects, but I've not the time to handle all the dynamics here.<P>But...we're digressing. That situation is simply the catalyst for me asking the question. Forget the events in my life that triggered it. I have my own reasons. I'm curious about the thoughts of my fellow geeks, married or single, attached to personages or not.<P>FLY, my pretties!! FLY!!<P>------------------<BR>"I�ll never fall in the arms of someone sincere<BR>I fall just the same<BR>And like before, it's just too hard."<BR> ---Kim Leaman, "Sincere"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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