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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tahna Los: [QB] I'll wade into this discussion here. First off: China houses a very xenophobic culture. When Jeff Raven says that the existence of government is through the people, the Chinese see it as the other way around, the people exist through the volition of the Chinese Government. An communist group which restricts ANYTHING from violating their communist culture or not. Translation: Paranoia. Basically East Germany before the Berlin wall came crumbling down. Shik claims that the U.S. plane was honing in on Chinese radio and TV transmissions. Now why would they want to listen in on those waves? To get a new recipe for Dim Sum? No. Of course, if they scan in on all frequencies, they could probably gather information on Military Radio transmissions. We don't know. Yet. We also hear that the US was flying outside of Chinese Airspace. So despite all the Chinese's ramblings about the US spying in on their territory, if they want to protest, they can write a letter of protest to the US or UN or NATO or whatever it is. The Chinese can't do anything about it. So if I decide to set up some sophisticated equipment here and listen in on CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and other classified transmissions, what would happen to me then? If the US decides to shoot a nuke at my house, then we have a double standard here. JeffK is right about one thing, it does not have to be secret in order to be spying. Gathering information on another persons conversation without the second person's permission is part of what spying is all about. It doesn't matter if it is about Dim Sum, Jackie Chan Movies, and the like. No permission was given to the US Plane to eavesdrop on such transmissions. China didn't approve it. Therefore, it's still spying. JeffR is right about a second detail, while 18-wheelers hits Ferrari's all the time, it usually happens when the driver of the Ferrari does something very stupid. That US plane (spy, reconnaisance, intel, call it whatever you want, it's all the same to me) is simply too big and old to perform evasive manouvres compared to the Chinese craft. It is clear from this picture that it was the Chinese Pilot decided to swim with the fishes. Verdict: While the U.S. may have alarmed the Chinese, it was the fault of the Chinese and the Chinese pilot that this incident took place. On the other hand, the U.S. should not risk gambling 24 of its own men and women so that some xenophobic country can say it was wrong. If I know the Chinese in China, they will continue holding these soldiers until the U.S. blinks. One other thing: Colin Powell referring to the soldiers as hostages doesn't really help things. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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