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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]1: God made the condemned building.[/i] No, Satan made the building. [i]1a: he put the terrorists and the loonies in the building, too.[/i] No, they live there of their own accord. [i]2: You are again assuming that the people in your analogy are reasoning beings, capable of telling whether they've been told the truth or not.[/i] And yet again, you're making the assumption that an adult with full reasoning skills, but missing a vital piece of knowledge, will behave in any way you can predict. You also can't predict how such a person would react to a direct communication from God. [i]"Anyway, God tells man, "Hey, see that building? That building's going to be destroyed, so don't go in there, 'cause you'll get lost, and the people in there will hurt you."" 3. Nevermind that this doesn't happen in the original version of the story, eh?[/i] "And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Genesis 2:16-17 [i]4. If he really cared about keeping the kiddies out, he could've put up a fence.[/i] God cares about our free will. If we're FORCED to love Him, what's the point? The whole idea is that we have a choice. You can choose to be in the building when it colapses. It'd be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but you can choose it. [i]5. And, of course, you've got an all-powerful hostage negotiator.[/i] Omnipotence is frequently misconstrued as the ability to do literally anything. God can't defy logic ("Can God create a rock so big that He can't lift it?"), nor can he deny His basic nature. God CAN'T go into the building himself, because He can't fit: He can't, by His nature, be in the presence of sin. [i]He CHOOSES to sacrifice them... or to let them sacrifice themselves, which is essentially the same thing.[/i] No, it's not. That's like saying that if we legalize drugs, we're responsible for the choices of the people on drugs. It's sillyness. Everyone is responsible for his or her own actions. You can't blame God when you make a choice, simply because He gave you the ability to choose. It's YOUR decision, and no one else's. [i]6. We never really know if the building comes down or not. It all happens offscreen.[/i] "The Devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10. Sounds like it's demolished to me. [i]MIRACLES are a concession to the fact that things here DO matter.[/i] Only insofar as they can help change the location where someone ends the game. Saul was SAVED because of the miracle, and he, having been saved, helped save tens of millions more. What happens to you in life doesn't matter, unless it affects your position with God when you die. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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