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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] "when you eat of it you will surely die." But they didn't. So was this an error or a lie on God's part? Of course, you don't go into the REAL reason God cast Adam and Eve out of Eden, as the BIBLE relates. It wasn't for disobedience. It was out of FEAR. FEAR that they might then eat from the tree of life, and become as gods. Genesis 3:22: "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever..." (Of course, WHO God is speaking to when He says 'one of US' is also a matter for some debate, unless God talks to Himself in the third person.) >"No, Satan made the building.' God made Satan. God made Hell. God put whatever allowed Satan to turn evil INTO Satan in the first place. Perhaps He didn't build the building, but he trained and financed the architect. >"No, they live there of their own accord." You're saying that they can come back? All the ousted angels? Satan, even? News to theology circles... this would mean there's hope for redemption even in Hell... which would destroy any worrying about it. >"you're making the assumption that an adult with full reasoning skills, but missing a vital piece of knowledge, will behave in any way you can predict." First, you're assuming that Adam and Eve HAD full reasoning skills. I'm TELLING you that that's impossible. One cannot have full reasoning skills without the capacity for JUDGEMENT. Which one CANNOT have without the knowledge of 'good and evil' meaning true and false and right and wrong. Second, God owed them that knowledge, for their own safety. If evil exists in the world, ignorance is equated with destruction. Satan existed. Why did God not bother to tell them about Him? Why didn't he say "Don't eat from the tree... and oh, yeah, don't listen to the snake." >"God cares about our free will. If we're FORCED to love Him, what's the point? The whole idea is that we have a choice. You can choose to be in the building when it colapses. It'd be an incredibly stupid thing to do, but you can choose it." God doesn't give a rat's ass about our free will. All that matters to him is that we choose him and spend the rest of eternity praising and singing to him. If we don't, we get a one-way trip to the eternal killing fields, with no chance of parole. "You can choose to turn away... but you'll be so-rry..." That is the SAME 'choice' given by the stalker, and the abusive boyfriend. "Choose me or DIE." Such a choice is no real choice. It's just that some of us have enough self-respect to know when our 'boyfriend' is being abusive. Tell me, if God can't be in the presence of sin, how on Earth did He call Satan into His presence in JOB? HUH? >"Revelation 20:10. Sounds like it's demolished to me." That's a bit late in the series, like I said. Our protagonist should have had this problem wrapped up by the end of Book 1. You'll notice, also, that Revelation is actually set in a FUTURE book... one which I'm not at all sure will ever be published. Like I've said, I doubt the Author's sincerity. (That, and John the Revelator was probably on 'shrooms when he wrote it.) [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] >"What happens to you in life doesn't matter, unless it affects your position with God when you die." Which it has, or will have, if I croak anytime soon, as the above demonstrates. And doubtless has to others at other times. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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