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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]Anyway, the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution. Now, they haven't been doing a smack-dab job of it in recent years (look at what they did for "Dubya" as an example)[/i] Come on, Jeff, we beat the snot out of you on that one, too. Do you REALLY want to bring that thread back from the dead? Or do you forget your failures that fast? [i]but they've been hitting things pretty clearly on the gun issue.[/i] No, they haven't, as I have just shown. [i]Second, you still haven't responded to this point:[/i] Yes, I have. I responded by saying that criminals have no rights, as such, because there is not necessarily such a thing as an ex-criminal. Once you're arrested, you have no rights, beyond that of avoiding cruel and unusual punishment, and your rights are only reinstated at the instruction of local or state law. If that's never, well, that's your fault. Daniel: [i]Why do we need guns in the first place?[/i] To defend ourselves from those who have malicious intent. [i]Do we really need them for protection and recreational purposes?[/i] Yes. [i]Would it be so horrible if we restricted firearms completely from the American public?[/i] Yes. [i]Answer these questions please, using logical, rational statements supported by evidence without making exceptions to the points you are making, and perhaps we will get somewhere useful.[/i] I did. Look up the preceeding thread, a couple pages before the end. I pointed out several different surveys that contained the statistic that Americans use firearms to prevent crimes at a bare minimum of several hundred thousand times a year, and quite likely more. I also pointed to a refutation of the statistic that it's more like tens of thousands, obtained by a single survey, before anyone points that out. Also, how would you propose taking guns away from all criminals, at the same time you took them from non-criminals? They wouldn't just turn them in. [i]I would like to point out that I believe Japan bans use of firearms by any persons other than the police or armed forces, and they seem to make out just fine.[/i] Britan did the same thing, and their crime rate sucks royally. Jay: [i]Therefore the well regulated phrase of the Second Amendment reaffirms the regulatory authority over the militia given to Congress in Article 1 Section 8.[/i] Except that it ISN'T LAW! Do you need Rob to diagram the sencence for you again? Or shall he just copy and paste the previous post where he shot your entire argument down, which you apparently ignored? That phrase of the sentence is an explaination, not a qualification. The second ammendment gives NO POWER to regulate a militia, and even if we assume that such power as granted in Article I gave the power to restrict private ownership of firearms (which it didn't), the Second AMMENDMENT overrides it. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed." Why is this law so hard for you to grasp? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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