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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Colorful Cartman: [QB] [QUOTE]the average Afghan seems to be a hell of a lot happier now. to me, that matters a hell of a lot more than unilaterally withdrawing from treaties, many of which were a bad idea to begin with.[/QUOTE]You're a shining beacon of pure altruism. With that kind of attitude, who needs foreign politics? [QUOTE]you also seem to be conveniently forgetting that the UK also sent troops to Afghanistan. not quite so unilateral when its an international effort, bozo.[/QUOTE]Ad hominem #1. Now *IF* you had actually bothered to read my post, you'd know that I brought up Afghanistan as an example of the general direction non-domestic policy is headed in, and you wouldn't be putting your usual steaming piles of verbal excrement in my mouth. [QUOTE]and you are forgetting that the US President has fairly wide ranging powers now a days when it comes to the miltary.[/QUOTE]... Making it much easier for potential whackjobs to abuse that power, especially when, say, large corporations with vast interests abroad are calling their shots. [QUOTE]and you forgot that he had approval from the American people and congress.[/QUOTE]Approving of an action does not grant it legal status outside US borders. [QUOTE]you also seem to have forgotten that a formal war couldn't be declared since the Taliban were not recognized as a sovereign nation by the US.[/QUOTE]Oh, what a fucking crock. Attacking autonomous states when it suits our purpose == Bad Thing. Attacking recognised regimes (yes, the Taliban were exactly that) == Bad Thing. Still, I'd like to hear personally from the average Afghan if he/she is indeed soooooo much better off as you claim, what with the NA running the place pretty much the same way the Taliban did. [QUOTE]and you forgot that Al Qaida, which was under the aegis of a non sovereign "government", WAS and IS a very real threat to the United States.[/QUOTE]Did I? Quote the relevant part of my post. Isn't it ironic, though, that A-Q, which was amongst other things given financial support by the CIA during the titanic struggle with the forces of the Evil Empire (Reaganspeak kicks ass), has unanimously decided to turn its sights on the US, infuriated by its presence and activities in the middle east? Too bad one can only appreciate this incongruity if one dares to look in the mirror. [QUOTE]you also seem to have forgotten that no reductions in freedoms have actually happened despite irrational fears about the goverment.[/QUOTE]Man, this is deep. Many of us here, including me, have tried to convince Omega and First that their fears about Big Brother were irrational, yet now I find myself on the other side of the fence. No reductions in freedom, eh? I seem to recall a little plan called TIPS being floated quite recently. It got shot down before it surfaced, of course, but the very fact it floated at all shows the damage 9/11 has left in its wake, and TIPS is by far not the only disturbing element of the sociopolitical aftermath. But if you prefer living in a police state, who am I to argue? [QUOTE]you also seem to have forgotten that the Afghani people were enslaved by a group they didn't want.[/QUOTE]And we know what's best for them, don't we? Presumptious and arrogant. [QUOTE]you seem to have forgotten that toppling the Taliban and capturing and killing Al Qaida was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]Have I? Quote the relevant part of my post. [QUOTE]did i also mention that you forgot that it was an International effort and that no Sovereign Nation was attacked since the Taliban was not a legitimate government?[/QUOTE]I believe I addressed this. [QUOTE]you seem to have forgotten all the important things. no surprise, there.[/QUOTE]Ad hominem #2. No surprise, there. [QUOTE]p.s. there is no such thing as god-given civil liberties since god is fake.[/QUOTE]It's called sarcasm. Want me to spell it out for you? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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