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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Daryus Aden: [QB] [QUOTE]Daryus, you're forgetting one thing. Actually, you're missing a couple other things, too, but this just screams out, "I've just shot meself in the foot!"[/QUOTE] Uh huh. This I have to see. [QUOTE]If the pharmasutical companies went out of business, where, exactly, would the patients get necessary drugs?[/QUOTE] Who said anything about them going out of business? All I stated was that they push the private angle for their own benefit, not for the benefit of the consumer. Speaking of which, are you aware of the steps these firms take to ensure that they remain in business? Lets take an example. You're all aware by now that the bulk of international trade law is rigged to be favourable to the USA. This is not news. Here's a recent example. In southern India there is an ancient system of medicine known as the Aruvedan (Not sure on spelling) system. It uses pressure points herbs etc. Now, they have certain herbs which are very effective in combating respiratory problems. A US pharmesuitcal firm bought the patent on this when they 'discovered' it. You'd assume they'd be happy now that they have the patent right? Wrong. After getting the patent they had the natural version of the drug put on the dangerous list, in effect this means that traditional practitioners can't practice anymore. Now, you can only buy the synthesised drug from them, legally anyway. This is one tiny example of how corporate wankers act. How are you, as a so called advocate of the free market, willing to support companies that charge outrageous rates for medical supplies, such as drugs, which are an essential to life? Doesn't that go against some moral beliefs you hold. Or, is it all ok under the guise of a 'free market'? [QUOTE]And where would R&D take place on new ones? Exactly what do you think these companies do with their money, anyhow? Fill their mattresses with it? They spend it on R&D to create new drugs! This is generally considered a good thing.[/QUOTE] Sure, but then do it on a non-profit basis. Any funding beyond their bare minimum should go to a hospital fund, or something. Get rid of profits alltogether if you're doing this for such moral reasons. [QUOTE]Thus, if pharmacutical companies would, in fact, go out of business with central health care, we can determine central health care to be a BAD THING, on that basis alone.[/QUOTE] Nonsense. You do jump to some interesting conclusions. These companies are made up for people with brains. It wouldn't matter if they were working for the government, or that donkey down the street. They'd get the same results. Daryus Said: Do you think so many people would do it, all over the world, if it didn't work? Omega replied: [QUOTE]And if all the other countries decided to nuke themselves, or declare war on the US, or some other patently stupid thing, would you do it, too? Appeal to mass popularity is not a legitimate debating tactic.[/QUOTE] Legimiate tactic? Dude, this is not a nice little controlled arena. I'm going to make points, however I damn well like. If you can't grasp what I am getting at, then spend more time getting to the crux of the message. It'll be worth it, beleive me. By the way, your example above is so lame I think an irrate ant with a toothpick would overcome it. [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] Daryus said: What they are for is everyone shelling out for everything. Omega replies: [QUOTE] Bingo. What an amazing concept: paying for what you want, yourself.[/QUOTE] Wait, did you just MISS THE POINT yet again. Lets go over it chum. Australia, AD 2001. You earn $50 000. You pay $250 in medicare inside your tax payment. For that, you get cover. Now, you could go private in which case you'd be paying $3000 a year. You get it? This is far more cost effective. Everyone is eligable for cover. From Mr Kerry Packer, Australias richest man to Mr Daryus Aden who isn't worth anywhere near $8bn. [QUOTE]As for your incredibly wonderful government health care, how EXACTLY does it work, on the receiving end? Do you just show up at the doctor, he treats you, and you go home, never worrying about the money? The Doc just sends a bill to wherever the local branch of the medical bureaucracy is located?[/QUOTE] The doctor submits an invoice to the medicare. They process it and pay him for the consultation. I just have to sign on the dotted line confirming that I have in fact been to the doctor and had the ailment taken care of. The invoice covers the details. [QUOTE]Which also reminds me: you honestly think that that $250 a year is all you're paying? Does that include paying for bureaucrats to run the system? Or does that come out of general funds? I'd like to see your federal budget, personally, just as a matter of curiosity.[/QUOTE] You don't get it as yet. It still works out more cost effective than your little private empire. And not only that, everyone is covered. Which is more important to me than the end cost. Even if it were more expensive (and its not) I'd support it, because every man woman and child deserves to be cared for. Old boy [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] As for the budget, I think you'll be able to find it through [URL=http://www.liberal.gov.au]www.liberal.gov.au[/URL] or somesuch. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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