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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Neutrino 123: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] A [i]tad[/i] old? Eight years is a whole lotta voters coming of age...and literally millions of kids becoming adults. There are kids that were in elementary school when that survey was done that now have several kids... [QUOTE]P.S. Zygotes are alive, they are just no more 'alive' then ameobas or cauliflower. [/QUOTE]And yet, I feel no tears welling up at the "slaughter" of cauliflower that occurs each day. [QUOTE]Even cripples with deranged fathers can be perfectly happy [/QUOTE]But not adopted. ;) [/qb][/QUOTE]1. Are you saying that the male/female abortion support statistics have changed signifigantly as compared to each other over less then a decade? This seems like a very strange notion. I'm sure overall support has changed, but I bet the [i]difference[/i] between the two has changed very little or not at all. 2. Yes, exactly. There is no ethical/consistancy problem with slaughtering zygotes. It is possible to be neither pro or anti abortion, but to have a well-defined position that happens to fall between those extreme views (such as mine :) ). 3. Huh? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartman: [qb]"The fact is, those of us who are pro-life see a murder being committed in abortion." The fact is, what you see is irrelevant if you don't back it up with scientific evidence instead of arguments from emotion. [/qb][/QUOTE]When science is relevant, it most definitely should be used (see my earlier arguement against later pregnancy abortions). [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mucus: [qb]However, anyone that is pro-life (usually...I suppose there could be exceptions) comes from a religious or moral background which is easy to reconcile. Lock them in a room and ask them to debate whether Jesus was really a prophet, whether the pope is God's representive on Earth, and they'll fight. [/qb][/QUOTE]SUPPOSE? I'm right here! However, I am interested in this 'fight room' you propose and wish to learn more... :cool: ------------------------------- As for the discussion on moral systems, I prefer to use the other parties moral system and convince them via that. For example, if it were highly convienant for all parties, why not destroy newborns? They are no more advanced (and certainly not self-conscious) then late-stage fetuses (feti?). Some other random points: Considering society as a whole, abortions are not good for most countries, especially Europe. European population is going down in many places, and the U.S. population is only going up due to immigration. The global trend is a decline in population growth, with stabilization and then fall in 2050. Increasing the number of children in first world countries will not put anything like strain on them. In fact, it will help. Children are not a burdon on society because they eventually grow up in most cases, at which point they become regular citizens and start making great contributions. True, children that would otherwise have been aborted will be less productive then other children will eventually be, but this is a statistical difference (the otherwise aborted children would still easily be worth the cost overall), and there is a full range of possibilities for both. Another arguement is that a parent can simply put a new child up for adoption (and presumably, the adopting parents will want the child they are adopting ;) ), thus ridding the parent of any further responsibility. If a parent forms a bond with the child, and decides to keep it, then the parent clearly ACTUALLY prefers having the child, as opposed to not (I leave out people that become mentally ill here, of course). Also, stop accusing people of only bothering with feti before they are born. Many would certainly suppport initiatives to improve education and such. Especially eliminating the "cultural diversity" requirements in college! Think of how many suicides we could prevent if we did that! :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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