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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] Agreed. The plan almost certainly had all its most sophisticated and secret hardware and data destroyed by the crew. Raising any REAL fuss about it would be incredibly stupid. Infinity: you remind me of what an Irish friend of mine said about his people... "We don't know what we want, but we're willing to fight for it anyway." You want to attack my position, FINE. I might learn something. But please, name-calling went out with schoolyard fistfights and peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch. Present an argument. (And that doesn't mean chanting "US bases suck!" over and over again, by the way.) An argument is a series of facts intended to support a proposition. Your proposition, incidentally, is that US military bases should be removed from foreign soil. Now, you need to say WHY, and what could be done to replace the power vacuum that will open up when they disappear. Blathering on about 'cultural imperialism' and 'nationalism' and the rest of that crap will, unfortunately, not help you to establish this proposition. Every country is nationalist. They wouldn't exist otherwise. Every country is primarily out for its own interests. They COULD not exist otherwise. Now, you can either take this advice, and try again, or not. If you do, we can get started. If not, I shall proclaim you the Leftist Omega, and people will laugh at you and belittle your opinions. Military bases provide an economic uplift to the areas that they are in. Just look at all the 'base towns' in the US that were hit hard when we closed their bases. (This doesn't really apply to Guantanamo, or other places where the bases are essentially beachheads, but it applies everywhere else, especially third world and impoverished nations.) They provide a staging area for relief missions, whether military or humanitarian. They are thusly regional stabilizers. They provide an evacuation point in the event of civil unrest. And let me make one last thing clear about our military bases. Except for the places we invaded during wartime, which a TRULY imperialist country would have kept ALL of, we were INVITED. Or we PAY for the privelege of the base. (All our base are BELONG to us.) [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] Comprende 'treaty?' These bases aren't held by sheer military might and threats. They're held by agreement. If a government decides we leave, we leave. we left Panama, even though that may turn out to be a bad idea, because we agreed to some years before. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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