But two of their viewpoints I cannot stand. One, the rejection of homosexuals. And two, the belief in Creation.
Okay, so it says that God doesn't like homosexuality or something to that effect in the Bible. My church even tried to boycott Disney once (not much effect, but I don't mind it because the fewer people at Disneyland, the shorter the lines are), and my reaction then was, "whoa, I thought they were only doing this in the rural South!" This contradicts everything they teach us in church. What they show is practically hatred for homosexuals, even if they don't say it is. I can't understand how we're supposed to treat people of different races equally and not treat homosexuals the same way. Unless they operate on the basis that homosexuals CHOOSE their sexual preference, which I don't believe they do. Anybody who can please clear this up.
How can people ignore passages in the Bible about submissive wives and the evils of mentruation (a man who has sex with a woman having her period is supposedly stoned to death in the Old Testament times, or so I remember reading) but take a stand against homosexuality? People sort of "choose" what they like to hear from the Bible and ignore the rest.
Er, I'll post my second point about 19 hours later. I gotta go get dinner, catch a plane, and go HOME!
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--John Adams, "1776"
I don't know. . .
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What do you mean I'm not kind. Just not you're kind.
--Dave Mustaine
"Peace Sells"
MEGADETH
And RW, I am in extreme opposition to your suggestion of throwing the Bible away. The problem's with Christianity, and there are some, is not with the Bible, but with the people who twist it to their idea of what is right.
Tora, you're right. Those people are only taking from the Bible what they want. They're attacking those who sin, but are sinning doing it. *Sigh* Those people need to sit down and really read the Bible, all of it, not just what they want to see.
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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...
As for the Christians themselves, and the christian faith as a whole .... it is the priests that misinterpret, or go overboard, and not the faith itself that there is a problem with. There are many passages in the bible that serve to educate in very good ways....
One should not throw out the bible just because other people have mistreated it. That is just as absurd as banning a book because one person did something bad after reading it, or perhaps shutting off internet access because your child found something bad there. It is the person interpreting that we should try and avoid, not the bible.
Anyways... that's my theory.
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Ring this little golden bell
And see what changes with it's knell
Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.
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"We choose to do this and more. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard."
-- John F. Kennedy
-Ahem-
This is probably pointless, but I feel called right now. (hehe)
The majority of Christians (and I mean those who are truly Christian) do not hate or fear homosexuals. It is just that the Bible tells us that these ppl are going to Hell, and we can't have ministers in our churches who we know for certain are going to Hell. I'll even give you some examples if you have a Bible to pick up.
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 18:29
1 Kings 14:24
Romans 1:18-27
I believe that like any other Christian vice that homosexuality comes from Satan, and that it is not the fault of the person that they have the problem. Yet, it is their responsiblity to clean up their lives.
I personally believe that if God can turn Deion Sanders (and others) into a Christian then He can turn a homosexual into a Christian, too.
About Creation: If you keep going back into Evolution you get to a pt. where you can't explain where the elements that mixed into the Big Bang came from. I think they came from God. The 7 Days also aren't given a time span; 7 days to God are an eternity. Remember, we are the ones that decided a day was 24 hours.
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On Creation vs. Evolution, I have studied much on the matter. I have been lied to on many accounts by certain disillusioned Christians. All during high school I had to put up with people telling me I was going to Hell because I believed in Evolution, and not "God's way".
I have read much research on evolution, and the Bible, as well as nebular theory, and I came to the conclusion that they are very similar. I believe that Evolution and Creation are the same thing, given that latter is a metaphoric description the former. I stand by this reasoning, because I have come to terms on them on my own, and not what someone else has told me.
I believe that science is the how and the what, whereas the Bible is the why.
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"Bickering is pointless." - Spock, Miri
"I'm real easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullies, and I don't like threats." - Janeway, State of Flux
I happen to be a strong believer in progress, and am not a religious person, and believe that society will move forward, dragging along these people or simply leaving them behind.
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-Commander Riker, USS Enterprise
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Ring this little golden bell
And see what changes with it's knell
Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.
I believe it is like anything else, like say, an addiction to porn. You have to want to get rid of it to get rid of it.
Oh, and I don't believe you chose your preference either, hon!
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"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker
Homosexuals can no more stop being homosexual than stop breathing.
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"Bickering is pointless." - Spock, Miri
"I'm real easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullies, and I don't like threats." - Janeway, State of Flux
I'm not trying to bicker;I'm just trying to answer the thread's question.
Oh, and Siegfied I'm sorry about your friend. And you too, but did your buddy or you ever seek out professional Christian advice on the matter?
btw, I'm right now talking to a friend on AOL IM, who was bi, but is not now.
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quote:
The investigators do not shy away from the implications of their research. It raises the possibility, Taylor says, that the sexual behavior of more complex species--including humans--may be regulated not by hundreds of genes (each of which has a minute effect) but by relatively few genesThe investigators do not shy away from the implications of their research. It raises the possibility, Taylor says, that the sexual behavior of more complex species--including humans--may be regulated not by hundreds of genes (each of which has a minute effect) but by relatively few genes
This is from the online version of Scientific American, from an article into research on fruit flies. For the full article:
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"Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you."
-Commander Riker, USS Enterprise
(and everything or anything else)
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"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker
(that is supposed to be a sad face, not a mean one)Did he talk to someone he knew or a stranger?
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With good reason.
I'll refrain from spewing my otherwise normal opinions on the matter, which would surely create a VERY nasty reaction from a few certain people.
Please keep it civil, everyone.
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"Okay, so I'm not "SANE" so to speak, but uh... I'm the lovable kind of psycho"
http://solareclipse.net/
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You don't understand, and I'm sorry.
Genetics isn't just something that's made up. Its science, based in fact, not faith.
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Why WOULDN'T he go back and fix it?
Yes I know genetices comes down to Biology, science classes are some of my favorite. I don't know where you live, but I don't live in the big city. I don't even live in town, so what I'm about to say may make more since to me. Look outside. The Earth is a beautiful place, isn't it? How can anyone possibly believe that all was created by a few molecules colliding and creating a big bang that created all of everything?
Remember this:
WHEN THE TOAST IS BURNED
AND ALL THE MILK HAS TURNED
AND CAPTAIN CRUNCH IS WAVING FAREWELL
WHEN THE BIG ONE FINDS YOU
MAY THIS SONG REMIND YOU
THAT THEY DON'T SERVE BREAKFAST IN HELL
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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)
"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.
No one saw God create this world. We have to take that on faith. Faith is believing something, even if you don't know why or how it works.
Science is fact.
Religion is faith.
Two different things, but they compliment each other.
I for one DO believe God created this world, but I think it was a scientific process, not an oversimplified metaphor.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - A. Eistein.
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Jeff Raven - Having more fun than any human being should be allowed to have
First of all, unless it has now been DISproven, I recall reading an article roughly 3 years ago in which it was documented that there is a gene which indicates homosexuality...just as there are genes which indicate other things people are BORN with...one example being mental retardation.
Now, Bryce--I looked up the Bible quotes you dropped for us to take a peek at. The first two from Leviticus: LEV 18: 22 "You shall not lie witha male as a woman; such a thing is an abomination" 18:29 "Everyone who does any of these abominations shall be cut off from among his people."
Alright. The latter we can see true enough. Homosexuals, unfortunately, are continually discriminated against in our society--I doubt anyone would argue against that. As for the first passage, though, as well as Romans 1: 26-27, address one thing, more or less--sexual acts. Now, in my opinion, there is a difference between one's sexual orientation, and what one DOES sexually. As I have already stated, it has been proven that there is a gene (or lack thereof? I am not positive) which results in homosexuality. If we recognize God as the Creator of life, then it ensues that He created this condition, correct? Yes, it does. These passages relate in no way to one's genetic makeup, no doubt as it was of no concern at the time. People of whatever sexual orientation have desire from time to time. It is innate. As a Christian, I DO believe the Bible, although there are things in it that I believe may simply be allegories--for example, God creating the world in seven days. Yes, all things are possible with God, but as I have stated, I believe in Intelligent Design. So perhaps these passages are meant to be taken quite literally, perhaps not. However they are meant to be interpreted, or ARE interpreted, I don't think it's my place to judge someone else's actions, and the way I read those passages is in referrence to an individuals intimate actions, WHICH I HAVE NO BUSINESS KNOWING. I wouldn't care to hear about my best friend having sex with her boyfriend after prom any more than I would to hear about a "gay" friend of mine having sex with his boyfriend. And I dont' think I'd be one to "Kiss and tell" so to speak. A person's intimate actions are their own business, however awkward, or uncomfortable they may make others of us feel.
That said, and emphasized over and over and OVER again, these passages in the Bible should not be for people to use and turn against someone, but rather for one's OWN use for personal ...growth? Will that term fit? God gives us ALL our own things in life to overcome....I certainly have my own to struggle with.....that doesn't mean there's something wrong with me because I do have them. Giving into temptation is another story, and not one that I talk about with people, or expect others to tell me, b/c it's personal--between me and my Maker. God gives us things in our lives for us to grow from...and believe me, the homosexuals I know have certainly grown from their experiences as who they are (correct me if I'm wrong, sis...I figured this much went without saying)
Back to the interpretation of various Bible passages, as a friend of mine has said, whether on the forum or not, verses can be taken and twisted in any way the user likes. An example? You've heard "Money is the root of all evil"? The ACTUAL verse reads: "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Theres a big difference there. Satan himself twisted the meaning of Bible passages when he was tempting Jesus those 40 days in the desert. Bryce, in this, I am by no means saying that you are twisting the passages you presented, or anything to that effect. What I AM saying, however, is that there is a different way of looking at it, and something I stand firmly by.
Oh--and Enterprise? This is a bit off topic, I suppose...I love the Newsboys and the Breakfast Song, man...but what the heck has it got to do with the Big Bang theory? You said : "The Earth is a beautiful place, isn't it? How can anyone possibly believe that all was created by a few molecules colliding and creating a big bang that created all of everything?" I quite agree...but as I have said in this post...is it too much to believe that GOD made those molecules collide? I think theres a certain amount of mystique to that, don't you?
Anyway...Enough of my ramblings...there's my two cents; I'll check back here later.
Jedi Weyoun
"Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity" 1 Timothy 4:12
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**The Light only shines in the dark, and sometimes innocence is just an excuse for the guilty**
Weyoun, you pretty much hit the nail right on the head. Thank you, as I could not have said it better.
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Jeff Raven - Having more fun than any human being should be allowed to have
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"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker
bryce:
A: Don't call me hon.
B: If you'd been paying attention to my post, you'd have read that I DID take alot of time, and I DID pray alot, and I DID WANT TO change my preference, and become "better" in the christian sense.
C: WANTING TO has nothing to do it. I can WANT to change my eyecolor from brown to blue, I can pray unceasingly for God to change my eyecolor, I can try with all my heart to do this ... AND IT WON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT I WAS BORN WITH BROWN EYES. God made them Brown, and brown they will stay. Why on earth would God want to change them?
The same applies to homosexuality.
Now, having said that, I find this thread to be more than I can mentally or physically deal with right now, so I'm out of here for good.
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Ring this little golden bell
And see what changes with it's knell
Or Wonder, till it drives you mad...
What would have happened if you HAD.
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I think I shall have to brush up on my history after my exams are over.
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"Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you."
-Commander Riker, USS Enterprise
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"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker
*dives under bed for cover*
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Just please reread CC post; for your own well being, OK.
btw, I'm trying my best to have an intelligent dicussion on the matter. I felt like Tora was basically asking for a Christian to answer the questions. I have tried my best to answer the questions that followed in a calm, intelligent manner.
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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...
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"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker
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"Okay, so I'm not "SANE" so to speak, but uh... I'm the lovable kind of psycho"
http://solareclipse.net/
And Bryce has been calm and intelligent. Just because he has a different view on things doesn't mean he's trying to antagonize anyone.
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Robot: "Hey, I'm stuck up here!"
Cyclonus: "Everybody's got to be somewhere."
Personally, I was raised Catholic, but prefer to refer to myself as Christian. I don't believe in the Church's view on many thigns, such as divorce. I think divorce is bad, but often neccessary. I think that in many ways life would be simplir if homosexuality didn't exist, but it does. It's not something that can be changed, it is not good or bad. It simply is.
And Jedi Weyoun (always have to be better than everyone else don't we ) descibed my views on creaation theory perfectly. RW, he pretty much proved that Christians aren't ignorant and can express their views in calm rational and intelligent ways. If you disagree, say how.
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'Saying it in a stacato voice doesn't make it any more true'
-Stewart Lee
First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a Christian, but by no means the sort in Tora's first post. I'd also like to point out to Jeff that it's not true that homosexuals can't change who they are.
I, for one, (I'm gonna disagree with Bryce here, but agree with him later) was born bisexual and just over a year ago was freed from that. Until you experience first hand what it's like to be set free from something you yourself are incapable of changing, it's a completely undescribable event. Like Bryce said, it takes a lot of prayer and time and God CAN override genetics. Simply put - after a few weeks that was no longer an issue in my life. I am, and continue to be straight, and no, I'm not just hiding my sexuality. This is me.
Sorry to contradict you Jubes (and a few others), but God didn't make anyone this way. That's like saying that God lets people get cancer and He lets people starve to death everyday. Bad things happen, but God isn't the one responsible for it. I think that is the hardest part for all people (Christians and non-Christians alike) when considering this faith. Let me be the one to say that God loves you all, and you are sadly mistaken if you think He is behind the crap in our lives.
And yes, Jeff FAITH is the major key to the whole thing. Faith is beleiving in that thing you can't see and the things you simply cannot explain. I can't see the wind, but I still know it exists.
Oh and Weyoun, I beleive in Intelligent Design as well. RW, I resent being called ignorant, thank you muchly.
Also, I'd love to personally field ANY questions anyone may have...feel free to ICQ me or drop me and email.
And for those of you that miss me, I should be back here regularly by the end of the month.
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"And though I once prefered a human being's company, they pale before the monolith that towers over me."
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They Might Be Giants
Also just to note, I am sort of 'in favor' of what is being called Intelligent Design, despite the fact that I'm sorta on the athiest-side of being agnostic.
One last note. Jedi Weyoun is a woman. Thought you might want to know.
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"Okay, so I'm not "SANE" so to speak, but uh... I'm the lovable kind of psycho"
http://solareclipse.net/
Cool, another Newsboys fan...
The only reason I included the Breakfast quote for was as a closer (ie, I couldn't think of anything else to say, and I wanted to emphacise the last line of it). Yes, I agree with you that God may have made those molecules collide. All I know is that he spoke and it all happened.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read "The Pursuit of God" by A.W. Tozer? We are going over this book in the Monday morning Bible study at my church. You might also be interested in the fact that I'm considering entering the ministry as a chaplain in the US Military.
RW, you are out of line. WAY THE HECK OUT OF LINE! Christians are not ignorant (and yes, I saw your 'correction' about only some of them being that way). Let me re-emphacise the last line of that part of the song that I poster earlier, "THEY DON'T SERVE BREAKFAST IN HELL."
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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)
"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.
Who's to say it CAN'T be cured?
Oh by the way, why should we care if Jedi Weyoun is a woman? I'm just curious as to why you told us.
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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)
"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.
I didn't like that part of me. Bisexuality was not what I beleive God wanted for me, nor was it particularily something I wanted for myself.
That's why I asked for the prayer and counselling, not because I was told by my pastor that what I was doing/thinking/etc was wrong.
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'Saying it in a stacato voice doesn't make it any more true'
-Stewart Lee
I an reminded of a verse that some of you might know that has to do with the disciples going out to the towns. For this reason I am no longer going to debate the matter. If any of you want to continue, go ahead. Bye
(hint: the passage also had to do with wiping off dust.)
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*marks this on the calendar*
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Jeff Raven - Having more fun than any human being should be allowed to have
I have avoided saying anything in this thread thus far because I like and care about everyone here, without regard to age, gender, gender-preference or non-preference ( ), race, or planet of origin.
It is very difficult for some people to think of what you do and who you are as two different things. Someone who steals is a thief. Someone who wears leathers, grows a beard and rides a Harley is a Biker. A person who feels sexually attracted to another person is a homosexual.
Each of these people, however, is something very precious. They are people, loved by God. How can you harm them without incurring the wrath of God?
With very few exceptions, I have been pleasantly surprised every time I overcame my phobias and preconceptions long enough to get to know someone I did not understand.
[Grins at Jubilee McGann, one of my newest friends.]
Tora Ziyal, you have three choices:
)That last option is the hardest. Jesus confronted the Pharisees with the fact that they had so ritualized Judaism that it no longer meant anything. They hated him so much for exposing them as frauds that they had him killed.
I doubt your church group will put out a contract on you if you rebel against their inability to distinguish people from their behavior, but they will dfinitely not like it. Nobody likes to be told they're wrong, especially if they have convinced themselves that God Himself has endorsed their position.
They're still wrong.
One thing to keep in mind if you choose option three is that we interact best one-to-another. Choose a friend who believes as you do and confront the members of your church one at a time, starting with the pastor. Point out that the church's stand against behavior is turning into hatred for people. BTW, I will not blame you if you choose option 2. Confrontation is risky.
--Baloo
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Don't call me a Yank.
I prefer to be referred to as a "Pull with a Sudden Movement".
it's not the first time I've been the subject of a case of mistaken identity. It's fairly reasonable to assume I'm a guy, given the name *L* No harm done--I hadn't even noticed. Seems we have a bit in common though--I was born and raised Catholic as well, and still go to a Catholic church, partly b/c that's simply what I'm used to, but also it's just where I seem to fit in more. But I, too, prefer simply to call myself a Christian, for several different reasons, some of which you quite possibly share :-) It's nice to find people who agree with me so much! *L*Enterprise: Newsboys fan?? YOU BET!! What stinks is that the LAST STOP on their tour is in my hometown, the last day of exams--but I go to an out of state school and won't be back by then....*sniffles* I wanted to see them SO badly! Ack! Oh well....there's always CD's and radio. Anyway...back to the topic. (If I can avoid getting whiplash from such a quick turn *LOL*)
I haven't heard of that book, no...sounds interesting though. I'll try and find it this summer, I think :-) Thanks. And as for joining the military as a chaplain--MORE POWER TO YA, BRO!! That is SO awesome.
Bryce: Should you return (and I hope I can recapture what I said the first time I tried to post this, because I made a stupid error and lost it all *L*)I applaud you, sir. You have indeed held these discussions in a calm manner
What you said about the concept of 7 days for Creation being a reason for people not to believe in God, seems to lend support to the idea I stated about Intelligent Design. Being able to explain it in a rational way, rather than believing simply because it was written that way, would seem to make the concept easier for a non-believer (or even believers, ie, myself) to accept. Just my perspective, however Sorry to see you go, amigo--you added to this discussion, whether we all quite agreed with you or not. Go with God. :-)
RW: The reason that Bryce's statements were accepted is because they were stated in a kind manner, and his intention was unoffensive enlightenment. He did not jump down anyone's throat. You could learn a lesson, perhaps, from an "ignorant Christian"...which he has proven he is not.
Baloo: AMEN!!! *cheers, jumps up and down, and temporarily looses her mind* Oh...*puts brain back in slot that reads "insert mind here* *blushes* *L* Very good point you have here: "Each of these people, however, is something very precious. They are people, loved by God. How can you harm them without incurring the wrath of God?" That is something that has total, and complete relevance to this--THANK YOU for stating it like that *L* :-)
Well, what I have here seems to be yet another long post...I apologize...I just have a tendency towards wordiness, I know...as have all of my professors for whom I right papers (but we won't disclose when wordiness becomes...erm...spacefilling *L*) Keep up the discussion people Remember we all have feelings though. Adios.
posted my email and ICQ this time--if anyone would like to talk off the forums, I'd love to hear from you. TTFN)
Jedi Weyoun
"Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity" 1 Timothy 4:12
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The whole point of sexuality is to further the species.
Homosexuality kind of defeats the whole point, then.
Thus, as Jeff mentioned, it must be a form of population control. I.e., since it does seem to be genetic, homosexuality is nature's way of getting rid of people (well, people who would theoretically eventually be around) without actually killing anyone off.
There's nothing wrong with homosexuals, then, as long as they don't reproduce.
Again, this is just a logical progression. It agrees with my opinion in some ways and disagrees in others.
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Megatron: "Waspinator, salvage Inferno."
Waspinator: "Inferno blow up, Waspinator must salvage. Waspinator blow up, nobody salvage. Why universe hate Waspinator?"