But, to quote myself:

quote:

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Genocide is wrong. And if it means violating International Law to prevent it, then International Law be damned. We are saying to the world the Holocaust will not happen again.

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That is why the war is being fought. To prevent genocide.

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"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us"
-Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
 

They don't want any casualties. I think that the moment they decided that this would be their strategy, they lost the war. I admit that civilians should not be harmed, and the deathtoll on our own side needs to be minimised, but to fight a war where absolutely no serviceman/woman can die is foolish and self defeating.

The NATO alliance needs a new strategy because in this, their 50th birthday, they have probably suffered their worst embarassment.

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The public is wonderfully tolerant - it forgives everything except Genius.

[This message was edited by Orion Syndicate on May 10, 1999.]
 

Sometimes, death is inevitable, but at least you can try to decide who's going to die.

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http://frankg.dgne.com/
"[Steve Jobs] shouts at his employees a lot, using language you can't use on TV, not even on UPN." - Andy Ihnatko
 

And then hide. Because it ain't going to be pretty.

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When I saw you I fell in love,
and you smiled because you knew
- Unkown

...if you should die before me,
ask if you could bring a friend...
- Unkown

 

July 14? I'll make a note. OOh, I have an exam on July 14.

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'Sir, you've been ordered not to take Polermo'

'Ring General HQ, ask them if they want me to give it back'.

The problem is an air war takes a long time, but I would say it is now beginning to have its desired effects. Work is proceeding on a diplomatic solution (even the Russians are participating now), and I hear on the news this morning that a partial withdraw of Serb troops has been ordered. This will work in the end, but it will take time, perserverence, and unfortunately, many casualties in Yugoslavia.

As for any underlying strategy, who knows? I doubt it, since elected officials rarely look past their own terms when making plans. The Balkans, of course, are next door to Europe, and a long war there could destabilize Europe.

P.S. *feel like I missed something while absent from forum* July 14? Anything special about this date? (Well, at least I'll have seen Phantom Menace by then )

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"Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you."
-Commander Riker, USS Enterprise

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When I saw you I fell in love,
and you smiled because you knew
- Unkown

...if you should die before me,
ask if you could bring a friend...
- Unkown

 

Nostradamus said that the WW3 would come back in 1993. Hmmm...nothing happened...

The Myans said that the world would end on March 20, 1999. Let's see...nothing again...

According to somebody or another, the world is going to end every day of the year. What's the point of writing it down, if you're going to be dead anyway? Personally, I'll just wait until July 14, and watch it pass uneventfully as all the other "Doomsdays".

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"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us"
-Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
 

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"[Steve Jobs] shouts at his employees a lot, using language you can't use on TV, not even on UPN." - Andy Ihnatko
 

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Clones are People Two

"The Force is like duct tape: it has a dark side and a light side, and it holds the universe together"
 

*Doesn't believe in war predictions*

People have been predicting wars for thousands of years. Sometimes they're wrong. Frankly, I don't care if there is war really. I'm so close to Toronto that I'd be vaporized before I realized we were at war.

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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...

 

Oh no! We've been deprived of new Highlander spinoffs! The horror!

Actually, the world ended at 03:46 on May 7th, 1999. What, you didn't notice?

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"You hear about 'constitutional rights,' 'free speech,' and the 'free press.' Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red!!...' You never hear a real American talk like that!"
--
Mayor Frank Hague, Jersey City

 

I'm still bitter about that British helicopter you shot down in the Gulf.

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'You want the moon on a stick, don't you?'
-Richard Herring

And, actually, I report with great pride that Toronto is targeted by seven Russian nuclear warheads (Or was, anyway). The targets are:

Canadian Forces Base Downsview (<10 KM from me)
Metro Hall
City Hall
Darlington Nuclear Power Plant
Pickering Nuclear Power Plant
Queen's Park/Ontario Legislature
And some factory for cruise missile components.

Probable casualties from this attack: 2 million+
Of course, the detonation height and warhead yield would determine the exact amount of damage to be done.

So there.

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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...

 

That is MY prediction. Not an Aztecs, or Nostradamus', or a million other ppls.

Believe it, or don't. I don't care. But don't make fun of it.

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When I saw you I fell in love,
and you smiled because you knew
- Unkown

...if you should die before me,
ask if you could bring a friend...
- Unkown

 

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Sector One at last. We are home. Tuvok, arrest the Maquis. Mr. Kim, inform Starfleet Command we have completed our mission.
Capt. Janeway upon reaching Earth.

 

High level air bombardment is a hopeless tactic to use if indeed it is intended to prevent further clerances of civilans from Kosovo. Only a very low level campaign, supported by ground forces could hope to achieve that. I'm sick of NATO responding to each new devlopment with
"Oh, we really didn't mean to drop a cluster bomb on a civilian target. Tragic mistake. We are intensifying our air campaign".

A British MP yesterday made a nice comment that rather than acting like world's policemen NATO now resembled "the gang that can't shoot straight".

I'd like to see a change in tactics. Better to do nothing than to merely add to the numbers being killed by killing the populace of Belgrade.
And also don't take any crap from the Chinese. Blowing up their embassy was incompetance for sure, but doesn't give them, dispensation to hypocritically lecture NATO about violating international law or human rights. (c.f.Tibet, Taiwan, dissidents, etc.)

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"Plagues extinguished, the world becomes smaller.
For a long time there is peace in empty lands.
People will walk safely by air, land, sea, waves.
Then again wars will be stirred up..."

- Nostradamus, 1568

 

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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...

 

Sorry. I just felt like using unnecessarily big words.

How did you come up with your prediction?
Phenomenal psychic powers? If so, can you tell me what Pennsylvania's Super Six lottery numbers will be tomorrow? it's worth a quarter million to you if you can, which should be plenty enough to buy you a place in a bomb shelter.

In all seriousness, I am interested in how you came up with that date. For reasons I prefer not to disclose at this time.
.

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personally, I'm beginning to suspect that the whole thing is a diversion to keep people from noticing just how much of our nuclear tech the Chinese now have, and who let them have it.

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

-The UN: deadlocked and useless throughout the whole thing.
-Clinton: generally cowardly and incompetent
-NATO: has finally proved its total uselessness in a post cold-war world
-CIA: First missing the Indian nuclear test, then targeting the Sudanese medicine factory,
and now mistaking a clearly labelled embassy for a Serbian ministry. Can they do
anything right?
-US military: The most powerful and advanced army in the world has taken two months
to cause weaken an enemy state.
 

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"[Steve Jobs] shouts at his employees a lot, using language you can't use on TV, not even on UPN." - Andy Ihnatko
 

Errr. I just felt like saying that for some strange reason.

The numbers for the Pennsylvania lottery? ...
16, 28, 45, 12.

(J/K, though if those are the numbers i'll go WAY o_O)

First of Two, as to how I came up with the date, some things about me remain a mystery to the public forum... if you want to know, I suggest you request in an email, and I'll be more than happy to explain it to you. Explaining it here just opens me up to more ridicule.

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28 days and counting........
*HUGE EFFING BIGASS GRIN*

But anyways, Downview is being converted into an entertainment complex, we are probably worse off with Queen's Park intact, and Pickering is probably leaking out enought nuclear waste as it is...

They've gotta pick better targets...

I mean in the movies, only the US gets nuked.
In Independence Day we are perfectly fine, monsters never bother attacking us, and in Outbreak a projection of the spread of an extremely contagious virus stops at the US-Can. border.

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If a tree falls on a mime in the forest...does anyone care?
 

In Outbreak, the virus also stops at the US-Mexican border too.

Getting back to the Kosovo crisis, the peace process has been knocked by a big dent in the form of the NATO bombing of the Chinese Embassy. Although I do not feel for the victims of this unfortunate attack, I feel that this incident may very well tell the difference between war and peace.

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I can resist anything.......
Except Temptation

[This message was edited by Tahna Los on May 12, 1999.]
 

Maybe the Serbs are all right bastards and they all deserve to die, every single one of them, hospital patients, train-passengers, and the make-up girl in the TV studio included, but bombing isn't going to scare these people.

Milosevic is laughing his fat socialist ass off as President Clinton just increases the number of people around the world who hate Americans [hey, another one billion added to that number! Good work, Bill!]

It's the end of the 20th Century; ex-superpower USA needs Russia to handle our foreign relations, former enemies are now silent partner "allies" in this misadventure while former allies have become enemies, NATO has humiliated itself on it's 50th Anniversary, and China has just been given not only a way to dodge espionage charges but also a priceless public relations event to help down-play the Tianamen Square anniversary.
 

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there's a bird in the chimney,and a stone in my bed
when the road's washed out,they pass the bottle around
and wait in the arms,of the cold cold ground

Now, of course, with this tragedy, China in its oh-so-intense "outrage" can use this as a propaganda ploy to demand a halt to the investigation...

(Is it paranoia, or is it Memorex?)

In this age of satellite photos that can read an effing licence plate, how can you miss a big Chinese flag waving outside an embassy?
Old maps? who uses old maps to plan a precision bombing attack? And why is it that the old map shows a dirt lot?

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

It showed how desperate NATO were getting when they threatened to bomb the television stations unless the Serbs said nice things about NATO. They bombed it anyway. It shows how bad the war is going.

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The public is wonderfully tolerant - it forgives everything except Genius.

And, on another note, does anyone find it interesting that it was the Chinese Embassy that was hit. If it were the American or British or French or Canada, NATO allies, that would be an accident. But it seems a bit weird that the Embassy bombed would be that of a country that is on Miloshevic's side. Me thinks that the Chinese were helping the Serbs out in someway, and NATO found out about it. With satellites, reconaissance planes, and spies on the ground checking out targets, false identification is a pretty pathetic excuse.

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Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.
Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.
Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...

 

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"You hear about 'constitutional rights,' 'free speech,' and the 'free press.' Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red!!...' You never hear a real American talk like that!"
--
Mayor Frank Hague, Jersey City

 

Besides, why must you know when the end of the world is coming? It's going to be here one way or another. Packing food and getting in a bomb shelter won't stop it. Yes, you might be alive, but who would want to live in a post apocalyptic world? Filled with radiation, and nuclear winter. I wouldn't.

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"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us"
-Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
 

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Clones are People Two

"The Force is like duct tape: it has a dark side and a light side, and it holds the universe together"
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"The first dated quatrain for the 20th century concerns the beginnings of the Russian Revolution in the year 1914."

1-14
From the Slavish people, songs, chants, requests Captives by Princes and Lords in the prisons
In the future, such by headless idiots
Will be received as divine utterances.

Russia, 1914, or Serbia, 1999?
Or complete nonsense?

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

First of Two:
Nah-uh.......you see the 1-14? Three digits of the year "1914" are given here. Only two digits of the year "1999" are given here. If Nostradamus has used this method to date that quatrain, you can be sure that the stated event has already happened. Hehe.

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[This message was edited by Coddman on May 13, 1999.]

[This message was edited by Coddman on May 13, 1999.]
 

Or, for that matter, January 14th.
Or 1:14 AM or PM
Or the IQ of the guy who started it all.

Or it could have been just an entirely irrelevant set of numbers that someone has decided "proves" their theory simply because of a slim coincidence.

Of course, this theory is only reliable if ALL other quatrains happen in the years that their numbers seem to indicate.

Oh, what the faithful will cling to...

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

"The planet Saturn moves very slowly, taking on the average 360 years to make a revolution throughout all the signs."

Er, everybody knows (or can look up in a book) that Saturn "goes through the signs" (makes a complete circuit of the sun, thus crossing the whole zodiac) Once in just under 30 years.

Yes, it's a nit. But it's a factor-10 nit. 30 vs 360.

If your premises are flawed, your conclusions will be. The only way to make any sense of of Nostradamus's "predictions" is to pick and choose with hindsight things that MIGHT have fit, loosely, sometime in the past.

The "King of Terror from the Sky" could just as easily be a UFO invader, Baron von Richtoven, an airline bomber, Quetzalcoatl, or something else.

(or to rephrase the old jab, "If you're so psychic, why aren't you rich?")

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

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"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us"
-Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
 

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"You hear about 'constitutional rights,' 'free speech,' and the 'free press.' Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red!!...' You never hear a real American talk like that!"
--
Mayor Frank Hague, Jersey City

 

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I can resist anything.......
Except Temptation
 

*I've found my safe haven, have you?* *walks out, laughing maniacally*

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"You hear about 'constitutional rights,' 'free speech,' and the 'free press.' Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red!!...' You never hear a real American talk like that!"
--
Mayor Frank Hague, Jersey City

 

*shakes head and walks off*

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"Angels and Ministers of Grace, defend us"
-Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
 

$wardate = "1999";
$falsetruth = "End of the world is $wardate";

if ($personbelieves eq "$falsetruth") {
$person ne "Intelligent";
} else { $person eq "Intelligent";
&tellthem;
}

sub tellthem {
print "Content-type: text/html\nPragma: no-cache\n\n";
print "You are intelligent.\n";
}

[This message was edited by Coddman on May 14, 1999.]
 

Daryus shall also make a prediction which shall shatter nostradaums. Nostradamus never ever ate a good bowl of duck liver soup fresh from Shanghai.

Very nice stuff.

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there's a bird in the chimney,and a stone in my bed
when the road's washed out,they pass the bottle around
and wait in the arms,of the cold cold ground

When I mean world I am using it to descirbe something less concrete then the actual destruction of the planet which you seem to view as its only meaning. Rather I mean the destruction of: our civilization, most of our history, our way of life, most of our technological progress, many of the plants and animals on Earth, and today's the political geography.

I have remebered what Nostradamus predicted for 1993. Sometime in August a Russian space vehicle was expected to crash somewhere in the US killing two people.
 

Simon:
Sorry to inform you, but Nostradamus didn't CARE about some Russian space capsule, and two US men. Jezus, why does everyone think Nostradamus cared so much about the US?? You think he was American? No. He wasn't. *L* (What? You mean some people out there aren't!? That's ABSURD! America is a country, spanning 7 continents. Everybody knows THAT. *Cracking up* HAHAHAHA)

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*sigh*

Reminds me of the people who still believe "The Bible Code" has some actual merit, despite the fact that you can use the exact same method and find just as many, just as accurate "prophetic" messages in "Moby Dick."

Where's the Amazing Randi when we need him?

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You're just JEALOUS because the little voices talk to ME!

Nostradumass also predicted the so called WWIII would last 20 something years. Nuclear wars last about 20 minutes from what I understand. One full out exchange is enough to destroy the entire biosphere, except for roaches. Nothing kills roaches--not all of them.

I remember the same kind of conversations cropping up way back in 1990 when Saddam Hussein was supposed to be that Prince that launched nukes at New York. The Gulf War didn't usher in the Third World War, I don't think this conflict will either. The quatranes are so vague that anything can be applied to them given enough imagination. They are so simple that anyone can write some. Spew out some poetic nonsense and call it a prediction. Plus knowing human behaivor it isn't hard to say that there will be a war or two 500 years from now. Slap your forehead and say Duh. It would be amazing if there wouldn't be any wars.

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Sector One at last. We are home. Tuvok, arrest the Maquis. Mr. Kim, inform Starfleet Command we have completed our mission.
Capt. Janeway upon reaching Earth.

 

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"You hear about 'constitutional rights,' 'free speech,' and the 'free press.' Every time I hear these words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red!!...' You never hear a real American talk like that!"
--
Mayor Frank Hague, Jersey City