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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>RW</b> <br /><small>Member # 27</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,12,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BR>Yesterday I read an article about a mortar bombing somewhere in Africa in which 30 civilians died (actually, they were torn apart, if you want to know the details). This was an article about three by two inches somewhere in the back of the paper. But I already knew it: We westerners don't give a flying f*** about Africa anymore, we just let all the people kill and maim each other with machetes, we do nothing to intercept clandestine arms transports from, amongst others, my very own country. We turn our heads when thousands of Htus and Tutsis slaughter eachother. We don't want to waste valuable UN troops on Africa.<P>Then, something similar happens in eastern Europe. Not even as bad as some regions in Africa. Suddenly, all hell breaks loose and the entire western world is suddenly concerned with the poor people of Kosova. All of a sudden, school children send clothes and toys to the refugees, something they never bothered to do for any single child in Africa.<P>Why?<P>I guess I'm very pessimistic about this world when I say one reason is, the average western asshole thinks, they're just black. I know, that sounds like severe westerner bashing but I'm so afraid it's true. Not with me, but with way too many people around me. Also, I fear less people would have helped the kosovalbanians if they knew they were moslems. That's how this stinking world is. Maybe I'm to pessimistic, please tell me I am. When the western oppressors pulled out of Africa as late as the 1970's they left the continent in chaos, and they are not prepared to help any of those countries. (Also look at Indonesia, for example, where shithead Dutch oppressors made way for a new oppressor)<P>------------------<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Deep6</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,12,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yep, you are too pessimistic. And since when is Kosovo spelled with an "a"?<P>------------------<BR>"The brocolli must die!"<P>-Stewie, The Family Guy<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jaresh Inyo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,12,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think that "Kosova" is the local spelling of it.<P>------------------<BR>Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.<br>Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.<br>Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Deep6</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,14,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ah, I see.<P>------------------<BR>"The brocolli must die!"<P>-Stewie, The Family Guy<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>RW</b> <br /><small>Member # 27</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,17,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BR>I try to be as local as possible :]<P>Dunno why I'm such a pessimist. Perhaps I'm getting immune to prozac.. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,21,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, it IS something to be cynical about. But I don't think it is, at the heart of the thing, a racial issue.<P>Kosovo, because of its physical location, was a situation that could easily grow beyond the confines of Serbia, and threaten those same western powers who decided to take action.<P>Africa, unfortunately, contains no such powers, and nations are much more content to let people kill each other there. It doesn't carry the economic and political repercussions.<P>Personally...I can see both sides of this issue. RW's figures of thousands dying is an understatement. We're talking millions of people. On the other hand, no nation can do everything. It would be, for instance, physically impossible for the United States, or Britain, or even the G-8 to stop every genocidal campaign in Africa. It would take a worldwide consensus. The issue of choosing your battles comes into play. Intervene in Africa, where the odds of success are much lower, but the need is greater, or Kosovo, where the needs are perhaps lower, but the chances of actually doing something greater? It's not an decision to make.<P>------------------<BR>"Breath...keep breathing. I can't do this alone"<BR>--<BR>Radiohead <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Xentrick</b> <br /><small>Member # 64</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,1,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:51 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Kosovo = Yugoslavian/Serb spelling<P>Kosova = Albanian spelling<P>some of us here in the USA noted that the TV news talking heads and government flaks very quickly switched to the more politically correct pronunciation. <P>Before the USAF dropped a single bomb (oops!) on a single target (sorry, collateral damage), critics asked Why Kosovo?<P>If it's purely for humanitarian reasons, to stop the age-old bloodshead, to make everyone play nice-nice whether they want to or not, then why Kosovo, which didn't even rate in the Worst Five Warzones list [based on body-count.]<P>East Timor immediately comes to mind. The Congo, perhaps. <P>US foreign policy is a hodge-podge. Anyone heard anything about Haiti recently? It's still hell on earth over there, but where is CNN? Where is Christiana Amanpour? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jay the Obscure</b> <br /><small>Member # 19</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,2,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *Note, I wrote some of this in another thread.<P>The LA Times recently ran an article with these statistics. Amount U.N. refugee agency spends daily per refugee: Balkins: $1.23...Africa: $.11.<P>In Africa: the camps hold as many as 500,000 people. Up to 6,000 die a day from cholera and other public emergencies. In Macedonia: the largest camps holds 33,000. The have been no deaths from public health emergencies so far.<P>Medical Care: In Africa at some camps, there is 1 doctor per 100,000 refugees. In Madedonia the ratio in some camps is 1 doctor per 700 refugees.<P>Refugees at most camps in Albania, across the border from Kosovo, have readily available clean water. In Eritrea, on the Horn of Africa, families as large as 10 are given about 3 1/2 gallons of water to last three days, according to Mary Anne Fitzgerald, a Nairobi, Kenya-based spokeswoman for Refugees International.<P>Another major difference between refugee facilities in Africa and those in Europe is in the type of food supplied.<P>World Food Program officials say both European and African refugees are getting about 2,100 calories a day of food rations. But for the Kosovo Albanians, those calories come in the form of tins of chicken pate, foil-wrapped cheeses, fresh oranges and milk. In some ready-made meals, there is even coffee and fruit tarts.<P>Water is plentiful in most of the camps in the Balkans.<P>At one camp in Macedonia, German officials have even installed a fully functioning sewage treatment system.<P>That contrasts with Africa, where refugees are far less likely to get ready-made meals and have to make most of their food from scratch--a practice reflecting the simpler lifestyles of the area, say U.N. officials. Instead of meals, the refugees are given basic grains such as sorghum or wheat.<P>~~~~<P>All that is true, and to a very large extent, there has always been this paternalistic attitude toward Aftica since the colonial days of Europe. In a very real sense, just as there existed in the past a militaristic imperialsim, today there is a system of economic imperialism.<P>I think another quote from the abore article speaks volumes..."Andrew Ross, a refugee worker who came from Africa to the Balkans last month, called the camps in Macedonia 'far superior' to those in Africa."<P>"'What's the difference?" Ross asked. "There's white people here.'"<P>------------------<BR>Even as I speak, the scourge of advertising could be heading toward _your_ town! Lock your doors, bar your windows, because the next advertisement you see could destroy your house and eat your family!<BR>~Kent Brockman <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jaresh Inyo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,11,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If the Allies got into the action everytime some tribe in Africa began slaughtering some other tribe, we wouldn't have any troops to defend ourselves. Besides, the war in Kosovo could have spread over into Greece and Turkey, NATO allies. We can't save everyone, so we should focus on saving those who mean the most to us. Cruel logic, I'll admit, but the decision has to be made somehow.<P>------------------<BR>Josh: I think they're getting to know each other a bit too well, if you catch my drift.<br>Me: Oh, I agree. I think they're spending too much time together, that is of course, if you catch my drift.<br>Asher: I think he's *ucking her, and he's cheating on his wife, and he's risking his marriage, and if his wife finds out about it she'll leave him and take their son, and his life will be ruined. If you catch my drift...<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,12,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> RW: It's a shame people in Africa hate one-another enough to murder each other in such wholesale fashion.<P>On the other hand, it irks me that we should appoint ourselves parents to every other part of the world where they haven't figured out that killing people by the truckload is wrong. "Now, now! You children play nice or we'll just have to bring in bombs, guns and explosives of our own and start killing people!"<P>I also think it's hypocritical to go in with military force to prevent that sort of thing. If it would stop the violence from spreading, then good. Let's go kill and maim some people who live in a distant country who weren't directly threatening us. If it won't stop the violence or escalates it, then what's the solution? Do we choose one side to save and murder the rest? Or do we decide that both sides are equally guilty and kill them all?<P>Bombs in the service of peace are still bombs. They kill, maim and injure people. They destroy lives and property and rend families apart. Generally, they create even more of a mess that needs to be cleaned up than we started with. Murdering and crippling lots of people isn't a great countermove to mass murder. It isn't going to convince them you only had their best interests at heart, either. Make no mistake: The Yugoslavs <I>and</I> the Kosavars hate NATO and the U.S., either because we interfered, or because we didn't just kill all the people they wanted dead in the first place. Military intervention is a third-rate cure for ethnic violence.<P>RW, can you come up with a plan that doesn't include destroying things and people at an even faster rate than they're already being destroyed? As callous as it sounds, I'll bet that if Yugoslavia were located in the South Atlantic with no nearby neighbors, the U.N. and NATO (OTAN, if you speak French) would have done nothing more than advise their members to avoid the place until the shooting had stopped. Nothing more serious than trade embargoes would have been brought to bear.<P>It's terrible that people can refuse to recognise the humanity of a hated people. It's horrible that someone can look at another person and see some "thing" that needs exterminating. It's a tragedy that it's so common that we haven't got the resources to stop these things unless they pose a direct threat to ourselves or our allies. It's also a shame they can't see this for themselves (as occurred in South Africa) and call off the violence themselves.<P>--Baloo <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,12,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *O_o* Someone else who knows what OTAN is... I have been known to accidentally refer to NATO as that... *LOL*<P>------------------<BR>Doctor: "Run along. I'll reattach any severed limbs. Just don't misplace them." (Voyager: "The Killing Game") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> <br /><small>Member # 45</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,13,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:26 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We can't convert two continents into the democracies at the same time. When we are done with Europe, we'll move along to Africa next.<P>Okay?<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>RW</b> <br /><small>Member # 27</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,17,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BR>hm. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Curry Monster</b> <br /><small>Member # 12</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,27,18,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 27, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> RW, simply put, Africa is not a key economic interest of the EU or the US. If it was, they'd be there double quick. <P>I don't mind people acting in their own interest, it's natural. What irritates me is the sanctimonious bullshit they spout about being moral and helping the downtrodden. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> <br /><small>Member # 45</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,2,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh Darius. You can't be an Evil Empire by telling people that you are Evil. You have to say, "Hey! We are Nice Guys. Trust us. Wanna buy some weapons?"<P>------------------<BR><I>I was right in the middle of a f*cking reptile zoo. And somebody was giving booze to these goddam things."</I><BR>Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Curry Monster</b> <br /><small>Member # 12</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,30,1,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hehehe=). How very true.<P>------------------<BR>"Diplomacy is the art of Internationalising an issue to your advantage" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,30,21,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:34 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> # of UN peacekeeping forces in Europe: 3. (Bosnia, Macedonia, Kosovo)<P># of UN peacekeeping forces in Africa: 3. (Angola, Liberia, Western Sahara)<P>seems balanced to me...<P>------------------<BR>"When we turn our back on our principles, we stop being human." -- Janeway, "Equinox"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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