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[gayesque voice] Yes Kelvin *sigh* he DOES come in handy now and then doesn't he [/gayesque voice]
*grin*

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Maybe I am overreacting, but this kinda thing pisses me off, big time. We gays get so much shit for being created with different sexual/emotional wants, and this kind of thing is just to common (making fun of gays, etc).

I'm just too angry to make any real comments on this at the moment, will try and put together something soon.

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*gets off soapbox*

Now, I'm not homophobic in the slightest. One of my best friends is actually seriously gay. (See? Something interesting did finally happen in my life).

Of course, if you're gonna get upset over that, then you're gonna get upset over everything. Like the Simpsons. Or Friends

I think you're being a little too sensitive. I take the piss out of Yanks all the time, but they don't start threads complaining that it's not their fault that they were born missing a chromosome.

Although I don't think he meant "gayesque" do much as "camp". Which you can't really argue with...

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I am so sick and bleeding tired of people getting so upset over every freakin joke. I don't see Daryus boycotting Letterman because of Sirajul and Mujibur, or me getting wanked off everytime there's a Wop joke, or Liam being ticked off by fake cockneys, or Simon being upset at ED jokes. If you really want to be accepted and stop being such a "persecuted minority" then get with the bleedin' program and make fun of yourself! I have many a friend of African descent and, somehow, despite being enslaved, murdered wholesale and truly persecuted by White America, they don't go ballistic everytime someone makes a joke.

"That guy in Tienneman Square, he wasn't protesting, he was trying to tell a knock knock joke. 'Knock knock' 'Who's there?' 'Tank'"

Isn't it ironic we're having this discussion in the shadow of the Lee fiasco? (no, it's not Alanis! It's coincidence, there's a difference!)

And get a clue! You weren't created that way! You evolved that way! What messed up school did you go to?

(well, I guess this officially puts a kibosh on my plan to be far less explosive and prone to my temper)

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Lee was not banned. He was insulting people, which is inappropriate for a leader, and thus was removed as admin. He is still allowed to post all the insults he wants...as Lee.

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And sure, everyone gets made fun of because of their clothes or hair, but when its something as permenant as your orientation, it makes more of an impact.

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Sunspot: Everyone gets picked on and bullied. It's not always a gay issue which starts it.. I'm straight, but three years of my school life were made a living nightmare by some of my so called 'friends'. Why? because I was different. I actually worked hard to get good results in my examinations. I still liked to have a laugh with my friends, but the fact that I worked hard was too much for them.

People get picked on for all sorts of reasons. I'm afraid you'll just have to put up with it until it ends.

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Lee was NOT banned, but yes, he could return and start insulting people all he wanted.

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Your orientation, as you call it, is not unique. My orientation is a straight Italian-American male. I can't exactly change any of those, yet people have no problem making fun of any. If you don't like it, you can either move to the Himalayas or off yourself. Or, here's the novel approach, you can learn to laugh at yourself (for the funny ones) or shrug it off (for the stupid ones).

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I will edit/delete stuff to that effect.

</evil mod voice>

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And that's before they get to the pub.

Besides, I subscibe to Liam's law of offensive humour. As long as it's funny, it's okay. Which is why South Park isn't offensive to anyone. Well, that and the fact that they make sure to take the piss out of every possible group as they can.

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And BTW (again), what's ED?

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What is the politically correct term for the "campy gay voice"? I've seen it used without insulting anyone except perhaps the folks who find anything remotely related to homosexuality deeply offensive.

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I don't like the concept of homosexuality. I think it is VERY immoral and kinda ruins the definition of a family.

But I'm not homophobic. I have a couple of homosexual friends, one I've known since High school. I get along with them both well, and I converse with them in the same manner before I found out that they were homosexual.

I know a co-worker who is homosexual. We get along just fine. We talk about current events often. We crack jokes at each other.

The key word here is Tolerance. Tolerance allows you to get along with a person and ignoring his outer characteristics. Tolerance allows you to know a person and not a stereotype.

Anyone wants to take a rocket launcher and blow my head off?

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I don't think you can choose your sexuality. If you're gay.. you're gay.. You don't learn to like the same sex.. it's not like a decision you make -

"oh.. I think I'm gonna start looking at men today to see if that gives me kicks !!"

That doesn't happen.. and for those of you who think that... get a helmet, before you fall down and hurt yourself. One can't choose their sexual-orientation like they choose their car or underwear. (sorry.. the sarcasm is just flowing outta me today)

At the same time .. (here comes the devil's advocate) people of the gay community (and that's what some of the gay people out there call themselve; which by very nature seperates themselves into distinct society) get way... way too sensitive about their own sexual-orientation. Quit looking at it as something special or different.. IT'S NOT There are millions of people just like you. My god, there are more blonde jokes out there then gay jokes.

Being Canadian, do you know how many time I have to listen to Americans slam the fact that we say "Eh" at the end of a sentence. Like that's most unusual thing we say.. How 'bout when Americans say .. "I'd like to AXEDT you a question. " What's that.. ??? but you don't see us whine about it.

I have a friend, one I deeply respect, who just recently told me he was gay. I've known him for about a year, and had always suspected he was gay. I am a bit of a joker .. like to laugh, and sometimes like to say things that some people may be afraid to say in public! Well, I used to talk to this guy, jokingly, in a "gayesque" style voice and manner. And he'd talk back to me the same way.. We'd actually flirt just to be funny... AND I'M NOT GAY.. but nor am I homophobic. When he came out, I told him, I wouldn't insult him by ever stopping the way I was with him. And he laughed at me ... Thanked me .. shook my hand .. and hugged me.. The guy is one of the greatest friends I have.

But he never complained .. or whined about how some people perseved his sexual orientation. HE was COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT HE WAS GAY.

I feel for you, man.. really I do. I can only imagine that it can difficult having a sexual-orientation that some people just aren't comfortable with. Don't get me wrong. But when I see this friend of mine facing life as happily as he is .. head held high with pride and comfortable with who is ... I shake my head when people sharing his orientation have to make a statement by telling everyone how pissed they are.

If someone is not comfortable with they way you are, man.. big freakin' deal. Make it their loss that they can't get to know who you really are. But by making a big fuss over nothing like this.. people won't care about what their missing.

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And get a clue! You weren't created that way! You evolved that way! What messed up school did you go to?

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Makes you so much more tolerant than the rest of us, eh? If you want to diffuse the subject, I suggest NOT making comments like that, lest you find someone's foot lodged permanently up your ass (IF a foot can FIT in there with your head).

I WILL NOT tolerate comments like that here. Yes, some teasing about being gay is fine. I really don't care if people make fun of the gay camp voice, or make dyke jokes (even _I_ make dyke jokes, and I'm half dyke!), or whatever. But there ARE limits to what ANYONE should say, including you, and you've just stepped your ass over the line.

That quote not only totally insults gay people for being gay, but insults them by saying that they are undereducated or being perverse. Now I don't care if you think we ARE perverse, but keep it in your own head.

And I totally Agree with Alshrim. *claps for Alshrim*

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"Current thinking among developmental psychologists is that homosexuality is NOT a 'lifestyle choice,' but rather an inherent condition within the person.
The fact is, homosexual and heterosexual brains are structured differently, both physically and chemically. It is currently believed that the structure differentiates as early as the first trimester, and that the change can be caused by the pregnant mother undergoing certain stresses during that time."

So. You're BORN gay, and your RELIGION is your 'lifestyle choice.'

So if the Fundies really want to do something about homosexuality, they should be seeing to it that no pregnant women undergo stress. (yeah, THAT'S likely. Fundie ideals only thrive under stress.)

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Fine, I can't say it like Alshrim and Jubes, but that's my main feeling on the subject.

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"What's brown and sticky?"

"A stick"

could be claimed to come from putting the reciever into one group (a group clever enough to undertand what you were suppossed to think, and the subversion when it becomes something else) and everyone else into another group (people who didn't get the joke).
Everyone is in a minority. So you don't see people going around cracking "straight jokes" (although I'm sure someone can supply a few), there are still Black jokes, white jokes, chinese jokes, japanese jokes, male jokes, femlae jokes, redhead jokes, blonde jokes, old people jokes, American jokes, English jokes, Scottish jokes, sheep-shagging jokes, and so on.

You eliminate them all, this place will threaten to become even more repressed and anal that it already is.

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Where I respect your opinion Frank, I'd have to disagree..

One of the biggest fantasies for MOST males is to see two women having sex while they either participate or watch ... Where's the defeat in that?

See.. when faced with that visual, the thought of same-sex couples having sex doesn't seems so bad now does it?

It's still homosexuality.. it's just more socially acceptable to have two women engaging in a sexual act then it is to have two men participating in it. Men feel uncomfortable touching another man unless it's a firm handshake, or a 'manly' hug to say... "You da man! .. good touchdown, or great goal, or .. whatever sports oriented celebration you would choose to add" Because it sometimes threatens our sense of manlyhood to think that we too may have this cuddly soft interior, that some homosexuals have no trouble whatsoever in sharing with the world, where we straight men tend to hide it in the face of being Mr. Macho.

I'm not saying anyone here is like that.. But it is a fact!!!

They don't call it sexual-orientation for nothing.. homosexuals DO have sex.. it's just not the kind you would have!

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Iam not uncomfortable about my orientation(s) [?] I just feel that someone has to taketheinitive sometime, to try and prevent hurt feelings. I mean, especially here. I cant really explainit, I just feel that way.

BTW - Merry XMas!

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But there's a lotta people making babies ... There's no real threat of extinction here.. (unless someone let's loost a couple of missles).

But I'll tell ya.. when I have sex.. Not thinkin' of reproduction ...

Thanx again Jubilee. I'm in Ottawa Canada... Far from you I'd imagine

Sunspot: In a sense I agree with you too. There are times when enough is enough!

And Merry Xmas to You all too!! Despite our varied opinions ..We're still family

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*wonders if he can add anything but support*

What they said.

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"But there's a lotta people making babies ... There's no real threat of extinction here.."

Exactly...homosexuality would seem to be a characteristic of overpopulation, then.

"(unless someone let's loost a couple of missles)."

ANNIHILATE! KILL! KILL! KILL! Er, um.

Sunspot:

"If Isaidsomething about a racial/religious group in a similarmanner as the thing I posted on Pg1, I would have beenspoken to by CC or someone. Orsome action would have been taken."

Actually, not really, especially here in the Flameboard (which is more or less unmoderated in terms of content).

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Men and women fit together properly. They copulate, and mate, creating babies.

Men and men don't fit together. They can't have babies.
Women and women don't fit together. They can't have babies.

I find it VERY hard to believe that homosexuals are born gay, because the basic purpose of humanity is to reproduce. Gays cannot do so.

As such, I believe that homosexuality is either a chemical deficiency, (as many psychologists and anthropologists are turning toward) or a psyosomatic (sp?) disorder in which the individual has been reared in a manner which lends itself to homosexuality.

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When you were 12 or 14 years old, and the hormones in your body started to kick in .. when you went out, saw a girl and thought: "hey she's a hotty!"

Did you make that decision?? Did you actually go out of your way to make a choice... Like..

"Should I go for a man or woman?? Hmmm.. let me see.. let me weigh the pros and cons!"

NO... You just liked the girls.. or the guys.. depending on which way you swing. I don't know how many times I have to say this.. Not a choice..

If your Bi-Sexual.. well.. whole new ball'o'wax.

I think I know where you're going with the Chemical factor in one's brain.. but let's not call it a 'deficiency'. Because this would be to say that Gay people are freaks.. They're not.. they're human like you and I ... Chemially.. they are different... But by the same token.. Chemically.. we are different to them..

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Website I heard about at [www.narth.com]. Havn't looked at it yet, but from what I hear, they've got good evidence that homosexuality is NOT genetic, and have had very good results in, for lack of a better word, converting homosexuals to hetrosexuals.

And yes, you can choose who you're attracted to. It's simply a matter of effort. I happen to find myself attracted to redheads with wavy hair, big brown eyes and freckles, but if I was so inclined, I could simply stop noticing females that fit that discription (all two of them) and start noticing, say, tall, skinny girls with black hair. At first it would take a consious effort, but after a while, it would become simply a habit. Nothing in your psyche is unchangable.

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Me, personally... I've always loved women... there was never a choice in it.. at 8 years old I wanted to cop a feel... guys never even entered my mind.

Did you ever walk down a street and think ..

"Hey that guys is gorgeous.. but you know.. I've chosen to like girls.. not guys.. so I may as well forget it.."
NO.. you didn't .. you've never had to make that choice.. because you were born hetro... That's that!!

And I never said it was genetic.. I don't beleive that either.

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If a child is brought up by a domnieering mother, and submissive father, it is proven that more likely than not, that child will be homosexual.

We just spent three weeks in Psychology class discussing this. Now, if someone could prove to me that Gays are born Gay, than I might reconsider.

But, all of the evidence, reasoning and just plain common sense says that there's no way that they're born gay.

If they were, than they'd either have evolved to accomodate reproduction, or have been 'phased out' by the survival of the fittest.

Why would we, as a species, have them if they didn't do anything to further the race. (I'm talking the basic drive to reproduce.) Why would there be a naturally stagnant group?

If they are natural, and not just confused or such, It doesn't make any sense as to why they haven't accomodated reproduction. None at all. Unless they're not born that way, and choose to be so.

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If you are of African descent, there is a chance you carry the gene for sickle cell anemia. If you have one gene for the disease, you will not develope it. However, if you inherit the gene from both parents, you will develop sickle cell anemia.

Doctors did not understand why a gene that could cause a disease would be so prevalent. They figured that after a few generations, the gene would be eliminated. After much research, scientists discovered something interesting. The people most likely to have the gene for sickle cell anemia lived in areas where malaria was a severe health threat. As it turns out, people with one gene for sickle cell anemia are resistant to malaria. People with the gene are less likely to contract the disease than people without it and if they do get the disease, the symptoms are much less severe.

Similarly, gender preference could be governed by a combination of genes that confer a strong survival advantage. After all, we are quite different from our nearest relatives in the animal kingdom with regard to sex. We humans are revved up all the time, at least compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. Since our females don't have an obvious estrus or "heat", it must be necessary to have a number of characteristics that ensure we (collectively, anyhow) mate with the right sex often enough to ensure the reproduction rate outstrips the death rate.

Males lack any highly sensitive sensing ability which could clue us in to which female is "in season". Likewise, females lack the knowledge or instinct of when they are most likely to conceive, and are thus not driven to mate when they are fertile. Perhaps the genes (I'm sure it can't be just one gene) for human sexual behavior are so complex that the combination that wires the brain so it knows what to go "Hubba, Hubba!" for can occasionally wind up telling it's host that the correct mate is the same sex.

Obviously, there are plenty of us around, and I'll bet the ratio of straight to homosexual persons has been relatively constant throughout history. Of course, since I am not a biologist (and a scientist by method only) I can't say that those are the facts, but I've read enough on the subject to know that real scientists (with letters after their names and everything) postulate much the same theory. No-one's sure whether it's correct yet, but it seems to be the way to bet right now.

--Baloo

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[This message has been edited by Baloo (edited December 24, 1999).]
 

It's also possible that a number of homosexuals copulate simply due to societal pressure, producing more. This would probably have been more widespread in the past, and if gays today are more likely to recognise and be less embarressed about what they genetically have been programmed to do, then the chances of them having children will probably decrease. If this is the case, homosexuality will "unbreed" itself into oblivion; something that was impossible when a chunk of the gay population was having kids.

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"It's also possible that a number of homosexuals copulate simply due to societal pressure, producing more."

*L!*

When I first read that statement I misinterpreted what you meant. It sounded as if you were stating that homosexual couples could reproduce.

[Raps self sharply on the side of head.]

Yeesh! I haven't even mixed up the eggnogg yet. I'd better not drive tonight, that's for SURE!

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Do you always assume that anyone who changes their lifestyle had to be forced to do so? This place I mentioned: people can leave any time they wish.

Alshrim:

My point was that it's not beyond people's control. It's not "Oh, I was born gay, and there's nothing I can do about it." It's more like there's nothing they WANT to do about it. If a homosexual chose to become a hetrosexual, all it would take (well, takes, since it has happened) is a little effort.

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BUT...a few weeks after i came out to my family, my father confided in me that he was familiar with what I was going through, since he, himself is bisexual. To me, that seems like the gene groups were passed on..

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I think it sometimes skips a generation or something.. None of my aunts or uncles (and certainly not my mom) were homosexual or bi-sexual, but I have a couple cousins on my mother's side who are Lesbians, and I'm Bi. Go fig.

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Death before Dishonor!
However Dishonor has
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"Now, just look at this picture of Kevin Sorbo. Look how sweaty he is. Doesn't that do anything for you? Just imagine, those big strong hands..."

Needless to say, I would not be amused. At worst, and it seems to me the worst scenerio is the most likely, such an experience would be absolutely horrifying.

"You stupid, stupid idiot! You don't even know where to put your genitalia!"

Thanks, but no thanks. Whether my sexuality was created by nature or nurture, it's still mine, and I am less likely to change it than I am to gain an affinity for drilling holes in my skull.

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Just like anyone who wanted to was "free to leave" the USSR... according to what the Leaders SAID.

Theory and practice, however, as Institutionalized Christianity has often demonstrated, are quite different things.

In my experience, anywhere where they make a point of telling you "you're free to leave at any time," they're really not saying that at all. Oh, they may SAY it, verbally... but you know when you hear it that that's not what's implied.

"you're free to leave... just sign these papers against your country..."
"you're free to leave... just ring the bell, washout."
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People who hate homosexuals do so either because they learned to (probably from their family) or because they just do for no reason at all. I'm not gay but I respect them and I always have and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. People who don't usually try to find all sorts of explainations to justify their hatred, much like racial hatred.

Why, one of my classmate is a pure case of homophobia and a perfect example. I like to confront him with it just for fun and he's really passionate about it. He always have all those theories about how it's not natural, how seeing two men kissing would teach children to be gay and destroy the whole concept of family (a concept that doesn't amount to much these days with all the divorce and the like). Everytime I prove him wrong on one of his reasons he finds something else. It's really deep. Why the other day during a party, one of my friend was talking to him about money scams and said "Mais admettons que tu te fais fourrer..." (it means "Let's say you're being scammed" but "fourrer" also means "fucked") and he really got angry and ordered him to rephrase that, just because the sentence could mean, out of context, that he's being fucked. I tell you the guy's nuts and other homophobiac, even if they're not as extreme, are just as shallow in their reasonnig.

It's really funny to what length people will go to justify their hatred, be it for race, sexual orientation, religious choice, etc. By the way, that guy's also against immigrants, the handicaped and the elderlies (he thinks the latter two should be disposed of but only if they don't bring anything to society anymore) and firmly believe in the necessity of the strong and the weak. He says the strong should take advantage of the weak and the weak have to manage on their own and not get exploited. That's typical thinking for someone who's "Strong". Just think of where we would all be if we killed all the handicaped and elderlies. Stephen Hawkings anyone?

Going back to my comments, I say we should all be tolerant toward others. No matter their differences, if we don't like it, we should at least respect them. But I'm pretty sure nobody here will even see my point. Not anyone who needs it at least.

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[I'm tired and just "hit the wall". If I had anything intelligent to say after the above, I've forgotten what it is. Good night.]

--Baloo

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For instance, there was this one kid in my class who was vehemently homophobic. One time during algebra, he was talking to his friend, and was caught by the teacher, who said something along the lines of: "I know you like each other alot, but try to pay attention." Upon which, the student in question, retaliated verbally, and was kicked out of class spewing obsenities at the teacher.

After awhile though, I started noticing that at patries and such, he'd never hang around with girls. And, he's somewhat attractive so he gets asked out sometimes, but he's always "busy", or has "other plans".

I'm not saying he's gay, but he may be demonstrating this theory.

[I'm tired, and doped out on candy canes (They have a depressive affect on me), so sorry if this makes little or no sense.]

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But I have to defend myself, as to the comments in regards to my supposedly vicious comments, the ones that sparked this.

Get a bleedin clue! How completely oversensitive, ignorant and bleedin stupid do you have to be to find that offensive?! The major debate going on was evolution vs creation, and its being taught in schools. Thus, I mocked your comment endorsing creation with a humourously satirical comment regarding the superiority of evolution. If you can get offended by that, then don't even bother reading anything with my initials prefacing it, cause I ain't going to watch people's feelings. Crap, no wonder Lee won't come back.

Anyway, I've had a chance of heart, lemme try to make a completely offensiveless post.

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There we go, that worked! Although I'm sure the mute would think I'm mocking them. DAMMIT! I need to go listen to some NIN and hate you all.

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"Theory and practice, however, as Institutionalized Christianity has often demonstrated, are quite different things."

First, I think you know this, but don't you remember it has always been the governments choosing the religion and not religion choosing the government. Christianity, and I'm sure most other religions, are at there best when they are not supported by or trampled on by a government.

More importantly, unless you are new here, I would think all of us are sick of the subject. We can't even stay focused on it without talking about other things. Take me for example.

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Really, now?
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The "divine right" of kings.
The Church putting kings on the throne and claiming the exclusive right to crown them.
The Interdict.
The "Holy" Roman Empire.
The Crusades.

throughout MOST of medieval history, the Church was the dominant power in Europe, and EVERYBODY knew it.

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The point being, though, was that the church pretty much had the ultimate authority over who should rule and who should not. And nobody BUT the church had any authority over who ran the church.

It's like old 1920's Chicago. If the Mob liked you, you got elected. If they didn't, you got whacked. Hence, a lot of people who got elected were beholden to "the family."

Saying "the government chose the religion" is like saying "the aldermen chose the mob." When the machine is the only game in town, you play the machine.

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Well, actually that's a tricky one. Homosexuals could argue I suppose. But first, a serious question. When does a lesbian lose her virginity? At least with male gays there's stuff going in, even if it's up the drain pipe rather than the oven, but women?

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"...while you hammer away, never noticing the bored look in her eyes."

"Hey, I always notice."

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Er, did they come up with an answer?

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These would be clear attempts by the religion to choose the government, would it not? Democracy is the anomaly, not the status quo.

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My orginal meaning (a few days back) was that the Roman Empire made Christianity its religion. Christianity did not choose the Empire. The same thing happens today when a general takes an island and announces everyone has to worship whoever he wants.

I understand your view; you see the religion as using the general to take the island. I see it as the rulers want the people to worship who they want.

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For instance, the rulers of the US, de jure, are the people, through the government.

The rulers de facto, however, are large corporations and political action committees. Most people know this, but very few want to believe it.

The rulers de jure in the middle ages were the kings and nobles. The rulers de facto, however, were the priest class and the Church.

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History clearly shows the the Roman Emperor chose Christianity as the state religion after his conversion. Most people will tell you that the Roman state corrupted Christianity, and there are examples that support this.
1) The Pope was given lands from the emporer to govern. 2) Pope Leo X is considered to have been an aetheist. He supported the Ren. heavily (and if I remember right) published "The Prince", the political science work (it does not come from a Christian pt. of view).

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Humanity is composed mainly of idiots, and the lucky few who are able think for our selves must endure them. Eventualy they will just de-evolve to primates, while the rest of us will asccend into a state of pure thought.

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