What do you think
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I am not responsible for the stupidity of other people.
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"I'm not feeling alright today, I'm not feeling that great"
personaly i think ethics and morality can be obstructive at times, and other i think they are essential, it depends on what the situation calls for.
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I am not responsible for the stupidity of other people.
Morality: a system of behavior and beliefs, backed up by religious, supernatural, or some other external authority. Usually general to the specific religion an individual is a member of, and not subject to modification. (Example: "Thou shalt not kill." --OT)
Ethics: a system of behaviour and beliefs, arrived at by reason and experience. Generally extremely personal, may vary greatly from one person to another. Subject to modification and growth. (Example: "I'm not going to kill today."-- Kirk)
Group Ethics: An Ethical system arrived at by the consent of the majority of a group. Varies between groups, thusly you have "scientific ethics," "military ethics," "librarian ethics," "forum ethics," etc.
Being of a religion that does not support external moral authority, I cannot say I have morals. I have a rather strong, and, I think, valid and complete system of Ethics. I live by Group Ethics when I must, in order to maintain harmony.
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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson
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Peace on Earth
Firstly, to grab the dictionary definition, (or in this case the glossary definition):
Ethics: The branch of philosophy which studies the meaning of good and evil, right and wrong, and moral obligation.
From a different source: The study, questioning, and justification of moral rules.
Morals: The rules and attitudes that we live by, or are expected to live by.
Morality really has nothing to do with religion, in the sense that to be moral one must be religious. Many moral theories are completely unreligious, such as Kant's or Plato's or Nietzsche's.
Ethics, as technically understood, is that branch of philosophy concerned with these moral values. What are they, why do we have them, etc. In this usage, almost everyone has morals, but very few are ethicists.
To answer the original question, which I sense was probably a tad facetious, morals are simply an expression of what any society values, and hence they will always exist so long as society exists.
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"20th Century, go to sleep."
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R.E.M.
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"I cannot live out that life.
That man is bereft of passion... and imagination!
That is not who I am!"
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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson
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"I'm so happy cause today I found my friends. They're in my head." - Kurt Cobain
Lithium, Nirvana
My morals are based in science than in socieity.
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I am not responsible for the stupidity of other people.
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"Sorry Wendy, I just can't trust something that bleeds for five days and doesn't die."
Mr Garrison
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Samaritan: "A good hot curry will help heal your wounds. That is, unless your religion forbids it".
Man: (Eyes growing wide) "No religion forbids a good hot curry".
-From some movie.
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Sometimes I run
Sometimes I hide
Sometimes I'm scared of you
But all I really want is to hold you tight
Treat you right, be with you day and night
Baby all I need is time
-Britney Spears
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"20th Century, go to sleep."
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R.E.M.
"They, as a group, dislike homosexuality. Okay, they flat-out hate it and think that all gay people wil go to hell."
I believe you're mistaking Catholics with fundamentalists. They condemn homosexual acts, not homosexual people since the homosexual orientation is involuntary for some. Why are they against homosexual acts? Instead of following "anti-homosexual" passages (which really are not), they interpret the Creation story as God's original intent for marriage, which includes two inseparable aspects: procreation and union of two people. Since the procreative aspect is completely lost in the homosexual act, the act is condemned. So basically gay Catholics can never have sex. Go figure.
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--Then, said Cranly, do you not intend to become a protestant?
--I said that I had lost the faith, Stephen answered, but not that I had lost self-respect. What kind of liberation would that be to forsake an absurdity which is logical and coherent and to embrace one which is illogical and incoherent?
James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.
[This message has been edited by Tora Ziyal (edited January 16, 2000).]
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Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling, I need to walk in
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart
-Backstreet Boys
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Samaritan: "A good hot curry will help heal your wounds. That is, unless your religion forbids it".
Man: (Eyes growing wide) "No religion forbids a good hot curry".
-From some movie.
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"She's just as bored as me." - Kurt Cobain
Polly, Nirvana
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I am not responsible for the stupidity of other people.
But when we consider Him who made them so imperfect, who put the snake in the garden, who created the snake AND the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (thereby creating the first evil,) it's pretty clear that the whole thing was a set-up from the start, and would be thrown out of any court in the US, as it constituted Entrapment.
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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson
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I am not responsible for the stupidity of other people.
~LOA
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"When the toast is burnin', all the milk has turned'
and Captain Crunch is waving farewell....
When the big one finds you, may this song remind you
that they don't serve breakfast in Hell!" ~Newsboys, Breakfast
Hm... To Serve God...
IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!
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Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson
DT: "(that's the problem with religions that don't encourage their people to actually read the book)"
You're talking about Catholicism before 1963.
P.S. What I'm doing (explaining Catholicism) is actually quite funny to me. I love my school, but once I get outta here, I'm never taking another religion class.
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--Then, said Cranly, do you not intend to become a protestant?
--I said that I had lost the faith, Stephen answered, but not that I had lost self-respect. What kind of liberation would that be to forsake an absurdity which is logical and coherent and to embrace one which is illogical and incoherent?
James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.
Of course, this only makes any difference if you actually give a rat's ass about ceremonial marriage.
Anyway, where was I? Okay... If the Catholics were to read their own bible, they would see this:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
That's Leviticus 20:13, if anyone needs confirmation. Now, obviously, the Vatican hasn't declared intent of genocide against the entire homosexual community (though, technically, I think lesbians are safe, simply by biblical oversight). So, if they've already decided to ignore this blatant condonation of the death penalty for gay sex, why haven't they ignored homosexuality completely?
I think it's for the same reason that groups like the KKK still exist. People want something to hate, so they find people who are different from them in some way, and they direct their disdain at those people. I think the reason that anti-gay feelings are so much more accepted than racism, sexism, etc. is that people can use the excuse "they choose to be that way". Well, it may be easier for a gay to pretend to be staright than for a woman to pretend to be a man or a black person to pretend to be white, but what does that mean? Basically, the arguement comes off as "everyone needs to try to be as much like me as they can; if they refuse to, I get to hate them, and it's their fault".
Y'know how I know this is true? For a while, I used to be one of those people. It's not very often that I admit being wrong, but here we are. I was always disgusted by racism and sexism and whatever other forms of hating people for something they couldn't help. But I hated gays. Why? Hell if I know. At some point, I got to thinking about it, and I realized that I had been rationalizing in my mind. I had been telling myself that gays might not be able to keep themselves from being that way, but they could certainly stop themselves from acting that way. I came up w/ all sorts of explanations of how homosexuality went against natural law: if it were supposed to be, why would we even have two genders? Then I realized what I was doing. I tried to figure out why I felt the way I did, and I came up completely empty-handed. There was absolutely no reason for my hatred other than unthinking fear of something "different". It made me sick to see that I had not only given in to these fears, but I had put them up on a pedastal of rationalizations instead of seeing them for what they were and casting them away. But all it took was a few moments of logical thought to notice just how astronomically ignorant I had been.
Now, when I think about how much hatred there is in the world today, despite the fact that simple rational thought is all it takes to abolish it... it's almost incomprehendible. It really does sicken me to know that this is so. And it's so much the worse when this hatred is hidden and bolstered up under guise of "religion". That's the problem w/ religion. If you can convince someone that your beliefs come from some all-powerful, infallible god, you are "right" in their eyes, no matter how horrific your beliefs.
Now you can see why I avoid the Flameboard. I start out w/ a simple reply to what the official Catholic stance is on homosexuality, and look where I end up...
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Col. Maybourne: "Teal'c... It's good to see you well."
Teal'c: "In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you."
-Stargate SG-1: "Touchstone"
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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"And as it is, it is cheaper than drinking."
-DT on arguing with Omega, April 30
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Faster than light - no left or right.
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein
Morality: Standards, beliefs about what is right and wrong behavior, esp. regarding sex: Religious people talk about the need for greater morality in every era.
Ethic: moral or correct behavior: The priest spoke about the Christian ethic: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 2 pl. a system of moral or correct conduct, moral principles: Her ethics in
business are excellent.
I agree, I don't think the two are different concepts, maybe just used at different times.
Ethics sounds more professional, kind of like "scruples". Morality sounds more personal, like "decency" and such.
Let's just say they go together.
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein
You'll generally hear about scientific 'ethics' and medical 'ethics', but not scientific or medical 'morality.'
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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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"I was as dead as a lesbian black chick at a republican fundraiser."
--Burns Flipper, The Longest Journey
Oh, the humanity!!!
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein