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Posted by Bishop on :

Who do you think is the best Intelligence/security agency around(now)?
Mine would of been the KGB or the Mossad but the KGB is gone,now it is the FIS(only bits and peices through)
so I would say the Mossad.

Of course you might say the CIA but the CIA places too much effort in SIGINT(Sattiletes) not HUMINT(People on the ground) resorces, which limits the validity of the data
ie. sattiletes say Syria are not moving troops when in reality Syria is moving troops to attack Isreal(again)but there doing so when the sat's are not in the sky theresore they won't know until the attack comes, if you had HUMINT you might of found that out.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

My favorite intelligence agency is the one that plays music on its secret numbers station...I can't remember which one...it might be the UK's.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The best intelligence agency? Clearly, those hard hitting and brave souls over at MTV's 1515. Did you know that even though the two have various lawsuits going at the moment, the members of the Backstreet Boys and N'Sync really think that it's "all cool and stuff"? Now that's information gathering!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

By the way, welcome to the board, Bishop. We aren't always so irreverent around here, but in my case it's been a long month.

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Posted by Dane Simri (Member # 272) on :

Proposition: As an intelligence agency gets more proficient, fewer of its activities are publicly known.

Conclusion: The very best intelligence agency would be the one whose activities are completely unknown to the public.

Further Conclusion: This discussion is therefore moot, since we are all presumably members of the aforementioned public. Forgive me if this is a poor assumption.

(Welcome, Bishop! I'll borrow Sol's excuse for my behavior above. Nice to have you aboard!)

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Well, there's always the NSA, GID, and CAD groups.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

I think Dane's theory holds merit. If an intelligence agency is truly effective, the general public would be completely unaware of its activities. Furthermore, if any of its activities attracted public notice, I presume there would be some sort of cover story that would either shift the blame on another intelligence agency. Even if they deny any involvement, I assume it's standard procedure to deny culpability in any such case, so they'd still get the blame even if innocent.

--Baloo

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The Komitat Gosudarstvenoi Besopasnosti (KGB) has evolved into the more manageable and modern
Federalnaia Sluzhba Besopasnosti (FSB).

I don't know what happened to the leftovers of the east-german STASI, but most believe it isn't anything nice.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

There's supposed to be a US intelligence agency that's even higher up than the FBI, CIA, OR NSA, but I forget what it's called (that's my story, anyway). Another three-letter thing.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

AT&T? Well, yes, that does have a non-alphanumeric character too, but...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I think it's GOT!!! (Guys On Top)

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Posted by Dane Simri (Member # 272) on :

Could it be your first, last, and only line of defense, the MIB?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Actually, I think there's a G and an I in there somewhere, like GID or GIB.

I dunno. My clearance only goes so high.
I've had association with the CAD, though.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

The ranking of intelligence agencys, according to my knowledgable friend, is:

KGB
INTERPOL
CSIS
CIA

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

(I posted my first comment before reading everything - it was time for supper)

I didn't know about CSIS until my friend told me about it...

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

CSIS- Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

For the uninformed........

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I plan on applying there after University.

But they'll be testing my French. Damn.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Well, considering it's an intelligence agency, they're probably weeding out all the people who speak French.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Mwahaa.

Why is this in the Flameboard? And isn't it 'Agencies'?

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

DIA - Defense Intelligence Agency.

Even more covert than CIA, I hear.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

God knows how many intelligence agencies the yanks have.

Anyhoo one agency I know of that's pretty much totally 'secret' is RAW. The "Research and Analysis Wing" is a set of agents that operate under the direct orders of and report on to the most senior members of the Indian government. As I understand it there is no formalised agency. Agents are just given orders, either directly from the PM or military and they carry them out. I'm not sure (obiviously) of the inner workings of the system, but they get the job done. So they say.... *L*

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Oh, are we just talking about intelligence agencies that report to one branch or another of a government?

Forget what I said about the CAD, then.

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Posted by Bishop on :

Well that was fun, thanks for welcoming me to the board and sorry if I miss spelled anything it was late(for me at least)

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I hear the Illuminati have a pretty efficient black ops sec

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

So we have problems with people poublishing lists of spies on the net, blabbing in the papers, cocking things up spectacularly, but.... hey!

MI6 has James Bond!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

The Illuminati don't really exist, for those gullible people who aren't aware that Sol's joking.

And I've been with the Masons long enough to know that they're less dangerous than my late grandmother was when she was "right annoyed."

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

I'd have to say the IMF is pretty good too.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

quote:
The Illuminati don't really exist, for those gullible people who aren't aware that Sol's joking.

And you'll go right on telling us that as long as you want to remain in good standing with the Masons!

I hear the Boy Scouts of America have a *Mmmmmph!*

*Crash!*

*Tinkle!*

*Thud!*

*WHACK!* *WHACK!* *WHACK!* *WHACK!* *WHACK!*

[silence]

That'll be enough o' THAT, boy-o!

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Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :

I'll second Jeff Raven's comment that the DIA gets short changed when this topic comes up, precisely because no one thinks of it. I also read the Israeli version of the DIA is similarly overlooked.

I heard recently there is an amalgam agency composed of top CIA and NSA personnel whose jobs it is to actively go gather SIGINT (as opposed to the two formers' tendency for passive readings) combining the operations and infiltration proficiencies of the CIA and the technical expertise of the NSA. Obviously it is quite classified and denied to exist.

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