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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

There's a documentary coming up soon here in Sweden, abut the tragedy with the cruise-ship Estonia. Well, it probably plays in all of Europe.
Anyhow, there's a lot of talk about it being controversial and of pictures never seen before, like victims lying on the seafloor and inside the ship.

For those of you who think I have a growing fascination for death, I can only say: No!
This just came to me as the trailer of said doc. played...

My question is this: Is a drowned person more horrifying to look at than, say, a village full of people in Africa, slaughtered with machetes and clubs, or mass-executions in Kosovo?

I am NOT trying to generalize death (I was especially affected by the Kosovo-scenes), I'd like to know if you think it's possible/acceptable to rate different kinds of death on the news (from unnatural causes)?

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Actually? Yes, it IS different.

Thanks to the realism of movies, the average person pretty much know what it looks like to see someone get a bullet to the head or be slashed or lose a limb. But have you ever seen a drowned person? ICKY.

The body bloats up as the gases expand, thus causing all sorts of deterioration. The flesh gets clammy, gets picked at & nibbled on by sea creatures, & starts to flake & peel like pages of a book immersed in water. Truly nasty shit.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I've seen photos of just about every form of death there is photographed, so I don't think it'd phase me much.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Uh huh. Try standing over the reeking body with the limbs torn off and the skin flayed by the heat and tell me it does not bother you at all.

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Can someone provide an article about the Estonia? I remember hearing about such a disaster but don't remember what happened.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I know some sites, but they're swedish, so the best I could do was a thing from CNN. It also takes up the "Greg Bemis" thing.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/02/estonia.ferry.ap/

In short, the ferry went down in the Baltic, halfway between Estonia and Sweden. One of the reason many "survivors" died in the lifeboats, also because the weather was bad.
No one dared dump the dead, so they had to share space with them.
The ferry was coming from the swedish port, that's why swedish people were overrepresented among the 852 casualties.

Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

Physically being there is different. Being literally there I'd likely puke my guts out.
I've seen that and worse. After so many images, you do get desensitized of it. Seeing the pictures is one thing, smelling and being there is what would gross me out.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Well I saw the program yesterday. They never said WHEN the sunken corpses would be seen, so everytime the diving-camera went INSIDE the ship, or swooped across a welded-up hole in the hull I got the creeps...

But it turned out there's only one picture of what COULD be a corpse, in Jutta W�gners possession (a german TV-executive) and a tape owned by Greg Bemis. And we didn't get to see any of them. Prolly just as well.
Another thing was that the welded holes in the hull, that military divers used to seek out survivors, were sealed with gratings in '94 so as to ensure the peace of the sea-grave.
Now these gratings had been ripped out somewhere during these six years by someone unknown.
Pretty scary, since the ship is very hard to find, and a diving operation is very costly.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Are you implying that the grates were ripped out so Shelley Winters could claw her fat ass to the surface?

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