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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
PHPBPBBBPT! :P
Perhaps it IS good they aren't allowed firearms... especially their sports fans!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2000-09/boystab160900.shtml

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
So, what's the point of this exactly? No-one posts stuff when US kids stab their teachers. So why this?

Is it a case of "Look! They claim to be better than us, but they're just as bad"? Is it that deep-rooted sense of American insecurity that makes you such a loud and overcompensating country? Or is it just an attempt to make yourselves look better by showing that others are worse? Because on that level, this amounts to one kid getting told off for stealing pens, and then trying to distract attention by saying "But mummmy, Billy Bunsen stole some pens and a magazine last week."

The kid got 6 years in youth detention. As far as I can see, he's been appropriatly puncihed for a wicked crime. What else is there to say? (apart from that subject heading really should read "Mum", not "Ma".)

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Well, one interpretation could be that firearms are not the source of all evil, as some believe. Things like this happen either way. Except that, in this country, the teacher could have had a gun in her purse, and made the kid back down.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
...Because we all know that teachers pack heat. Who can get through a lesson on Quadratic Functions without pumping off a round or two from your Benelli 12-AM Automatic Breaching Shotgun.

The sad thing is the fact that the response was 'oh maybe if she was loaded...' Disgusting.

Oh fuck, I don't give a shit about most things anymore.

Kirk Hammett fucking rules.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
Talk about defensive, PsyLiam. Wow.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
The point was that she could have been, UM. Why is that such a sad response? If her right to self defense had not been removed, she might not have to be under medical care right now. Nor would the child be spending nearly as much time in prison, likely. Heck, if he'd thought she had a chance of defending herself, he probably wouldn't have tried it to begin with.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
And then have to hear other zealots drone on about a "crazed teacher" popping a student? No thanks...

On a related note, work on my low-orbital smack-programmable launcher is proceeding at a high clip.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Omega: Did you read the thing? It said the kid stole a knife from the teacher's kitchen. Suggesting they were in the teacher's house. She could have had any number of defenses. Hell, she could have gone i the kitchen and gotten another knife. In this case, she had her eyes closed, expecting a present, when the kid started stabbing her. If she couldn't do anything, she couldn't do anything. Having had a gun somewhere wouldn't have changed jack shit.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
"If her right to self defense had not been removed, , she might not have to be under medical care right now. Nor would the child be spending nearly as much time in prison, likely"

So your saying that if the kid tried to stab her and failed, then it doesn't matter as much, and he should have gotten a more lenient sentence? It doesn't matter that his intention was to stab her, it just matters that he succeeded?

Why does that make no sense?

"Except that, in this country, the teacher could have had a gun in her purse, and made the kid back down."

Thank god then that no-one ever gets attacked in the US then.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Oh, yeah, I missed the quote about the gun in the purse... Explain to me how many piano teachers probably sit in their houses giving lessons, while holding their purse w/ their gun in it...?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
You've never taken piano lessons.

*da da DA da da*

*ahem*

"What?"

"Did I or did I not say A Minor?"

"Um...not?"

*click*

"And now?"

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
quote:
Oh, yeah, I missed the quote about the gun in the purse... Explain to me how many piano teachers probably sit in their houses giving lessons, while holding their purse w/ their gun in it...?

*raises hand while cocking gun*

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I think its just sad when a kid of any nation pulls a knife on someone. And you're wrong, Omega ... in THIS country, the kid wouldn't have pulled a knife, he'd've pulled a gun and killed her (and seeing how it was her knife he used on her, he'd probably steal her own gun).

This is why gun locks are such a good idea.

Myself, I prefer to scare the living daylights out of my people with my Highlander-replica katana ... =)

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Oh, yeah ...

Over here recently there has been a rash of incidents at CHILDREN'S games ... but not by the little-leaguers ... but by their folks ...

Have you guys heard of this? A parent whose kid is losing have ATTACKED and KILLED the parents of the kid who is beating their own child. I think the most notable case was at a baseball game a few months back -- ? Some dude's kid got struck out, so he killed the pitcher's dad? I'm not sure, it was something STUPID like that.

But this is the society we live in. If you cut someone off on the road, you could be killed. If your kid strikes out some other guy's kid, you could be killed. If you try and get your kid to go to music lessons, he'll kill his music teacher.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

Back to sleep for me. Can never get enough of it. And if someone tries to kill me b/c my cat looks at them funny through the window, I'll slice 'em and dice 'em with this sword ...

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I know it's splitting hairs, but the kid wasn't actually trying to kill her. He just wanted to hurt her so that his parents would let him drop one of his instruments, so that he'd have time for football.

He was already playing about 9 million instruments. I detect a wee bit of pressure coming from mummy and daddy.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
That's true. The parent's probably need to be slapped around a bit, too. But, regardless, I don't think the teacher would have been helped by having a gun stored in her house somewhere.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
The parents are partial to blame in this. I hate parents who pressure their childrent to be perfect. It's forcing them to strive for something impossible.
Making that kid take all those lessons plus his schoolwork I imagine, and the rest, it's no wonder he went mad. I disagree with stabbing though. Maybe some harsh langauge would have sufficed.

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Posted by Constellation of One (Member # 332) on :
 
"Is it a case of "Look! They claim to be better than us, but they're just as bad"? Is it that deep-rooted sense of American insecurity that makes you such a loud and overcompensating country? Or is it just an attempt to make yourselves look better by showing that others are worse?"


Actually, I suspect its a demonstration of America's superiority over most things English. Let's see, USA 2, England 0. Uh, World War One? Two? Geez, you guys still owe us millions from both of those wars. Maybe if you'll just pay up you'll feel better about yourself. Living up to one's obligations usually helps raise self-esteem. If anyone is overcompensating for their insecurity I'd say its the English continually criticizing the USA in an attempt to conceal her own inferiority. Let's face it, England is living in the past. She is not now, nor ever will be a true, dominant world power again. So, the best she can do is bash the one remaining superpower. Nice try. [Ok, satiric mode "off].

Let's be honest: there is violence in every country. You can't escape it. As a teacher myself, I can relate many instances of violent students OF ALL NATIONALITIES committing crimes. Be realistic, please. And, the simple fact that someone posted a thread about a violent act in one country should not necessarily imply an attack upon that country. Your response, however, did, hence mine.

PS. What's that about that United Nations report of a few weks back stating that violent hate crimes in England against minorities are on the rise? Oh wait, forget I said that. I'm just overcompensating. The moral of the story? No country is perfect, so let's both stop pretending.


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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Actually, the original post was mostly because I HATE FOOTBALL (and that goes for all kinds, and all other forms of athletic endeavour.)
It was intended to cast aspersions on wanna-be athletes, and how athletics 'rots the brain,' as my father used to say.
That fact that it showed a proper British kid going nuts, (hats off to the 'we're-all-just-SO-much-more-civilized' folks) and made a small statement about weapons, was just icing on the cake.

so PHHBPBBBPPP! Again! :P

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Hey Constellation of One: I'm guessing you have a small dick, right?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Er...
If I recall correctly, U-M, SHE doesn't have one at all.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
But such a wonderfuly to-the-point comeback, don't you think? Really cuts to the heart of the issues at hand. Rational argument at its finest. Bravo!

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Posted by Constellation of One (Member # 332) on :
 
Ah, the ad hominem attack, the savior of everyone who lacks a rational argument. When all else fails, and it just hurts too darned much to THINK and read a post in its entirety, and in the spirit it was intended, resort to insults.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Yeah, but after a while, you get used to it. Then you just have to laugh at the sheer ignorance.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I really miss Lee.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
 
I second that, Sol.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
No, see, I didn't actually read CoO's post very well. I took it as an actual attack, and not as a pseudo-satirical response to overcompensation.

God bless ignorance. It's really the best excuse. Plus, you can use it over and over again.

Therefore the reference to miniscule genetalia was alluding towards the fact that I thought you were exitedly defensive about the US and such, leading me to believe that you were being defensive due to a lack of proper ballage.

I'm sorry I just blurted out shit. (It did get attention, though. Maybe I should do that during class.)

Thus endeth the sappy 'Full House' Style violins, and my loss of face.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
My own witty comeback!

[childish insult]

You smell funny!

[/end childish insult]

Seriously, do we have to stoop to the level of "your dick is small?"

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
 
My god. Over here we'd call a speech like that 'yank wank'. WW1 & 2 are so relevant to this argument! Ooh yeah.

Now lets clarify. We of the UK, Australia, Canada (etc) do not feel inherently superior to the USA. What bogs us off is the fact that you lot (read: USA) tend to act like the be all and end all of right and wrong, be it economically, militarily or otherwise. We'd like to point out that as places to live, most places in Europe (West) and definitely Australian & Canada are as good as or better than the USA. In our humble opinion, of course.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
At least our gas prices aren't 1/4 gas cost, and 3/4 taxes up the wazoo.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
OH YEAH!! The Colorado Avalanche won the Stanley Cup in 1996!!! TAKE THAT GREASY ITALIANS!!!!

Gas prices really do have relevancy in a discussion about violence during a piano recital.

Remind me to laugh when you bring up some long, winded story about something that doesn't matter on 'Millionaire'.

Regis: "Is it A: Chicken, B: Pizza, C: Penicillin or D: Doogie Howser, M.D.?"
First: "I know this because once, I was on a boat, and I saw a duck. This was no ordinary duck it had a red beak. I took a picture, and a month later when I got it developed, I bumped into My old High School Physics teacher. He looked fine, except for that moustache of his that kinda looks the handle bars on a bike. When I was 7 I got a bike for Christmas. What's the deal with Christmas, anyway? My Birthday is not 'Farquarmas'. So, in the end, that's why I insult anybody's country other than my own at any chance I get, even when the discussion's about pancakes. If Pancakes are cakes made in a pan, why don't they have Icing? So, My answer is D. Doogie Howser, M.D. Oh, and England sucks because they pay taxes on Gasoline, which is why the boy stabbed his music teacher. That and that all Enlglish people have rabies and talk funny."

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Ultra: What are you talking about?

Omega: People don't use ad hominem attacks against you because they can't think of anything better. It's because they find you annoying, and it's funny when you're the only one who doesn't realize it. :-)

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Of course you think I'm annoying. I can prove you wrong. But at least I'm interested in finding the truth. Too bad I can't find an opponent who is as well...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
UM missed the point of everything, as per his usual. It's not about violence, guns, the price of gas, taxes, or anything that simple. It's about puncturing the balloons of perceived superiority. On both sides.

Both sides see themselves as being superior. Both sides are at least partly right. Both sides are also partly wrong.

The US has a violence problem. This can hardly be doubted... but it isn't the lunatic asylum that the others like to pretend it is. Many of its crime rates are lower. As I said before, it's the smug, holier-than-thou nose-in-the-air attitude we so often see from non USA'ers when discussing this subject that is being poked at here. The fact is, to use a colloquialism, YOU AIN'T PERFECT, NEITHER.

Each has good points, each has bad. As to which is truly superior, perhaps only time will tell.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Pig Fishing gets you laid.
"Same here." Shirley Admitted.
The Double attack of Gryphons is cool.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
I'm forced to wonder whether that gibberish is trying to make fun of someone, or whether it's an actual reply. It's so nonsensical as to be quite similar to a good number of his other posts...

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I think that was intentional...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Well in that case...

Dogs barking, can't fly without an umbrella.
"You dress in the manner of a male prostitute."
Twelve Purple Koalas, and Six Percent Don't Know.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
 
Hmm. I guess it depends on your overall world view.
Money is put much further down the list over here. Sure, you can always use more, but all in all, its not that important.

And something totally unrelated: Ultra is a very funny chap.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Agreed. Irrational sometimes, but funny.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Don't the two concepts often go hand-in-hand?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
To paraphrase a very bad (and thanfully cancelled) old U.S. sitcom,

"Can't we all just get along?"

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
It's true. UM has been worringly funny recently. He is possessed by the spirit of our estranged Spoiler God...

I love the fact that the arguments now turned to "well, you smell too, so nyah!". We (being the non-US part) get upset at the fact that the US seems scared and afraid of people who say "trousers", use "petrol" measure things using "meters" and eat "courgettes". When it's pointed out to the US that maybe, just maybe, their constant need to prove themselves is due to a deep-rooted insecurity over the fact that they have a very short history, and, like the new kid in class, they feel complelled to shout a lot and pick on everyone else. But, no, wait, suddenly it's "the UK has a problem! All you English people are paranoid, and snobby! You hate us! We're just as bad as kids stab people and stuff! You don't even wear pants that are 9 sizes to big. And you all have short hair and you shave. You're gay!"

"Geez, you guys still owe us millions from both of those wars. Maybe if you'll just pay up you'll feel better about yourself. Living up to one's obligations usually helps raise self-esteem."

True. Glad to see that we have to pay for keeping back the Germans while you lot had your nails done. (Do you know that the UK is still paying back France for damage it did while saving them from the Germans? Go figure...)
It's a nice idea though. Maybe if all those nasty third world people stopped sitting around being lazy and dying, and maybe worked a bit, they'd be able to pay off some of that money they owe you. I'm sure the self-esteem will help them when they're fighting maleria.

"Let's face it, England is living in the past. She is not now, nor ever will be a true, dominant world power again. So, the best she can do is bash the one remaining superpower. Nice try. [Ok, satiric mode "off]."

First, that wasn't sarcasm. Sarcasm would be "ooh, I love England. It's soooo modern. Don't they teach you elemantary humour these days?
Two, why is England living in the past? It is because we only have 5 TV channels without cable? Or because some of us actually use buses rather than driving everywhere? Or is it because we still say horribly outdated words like "freshmen", or "black sheep", or "arse-fucker"?
You know, at least half of our TV shows have been made in widescreen for about 3 years now. Nyah!
Oh, and third, announcing that you've got the biggest house in the street, and then saying "you're just jealous, cause our house is bigger, and you'll never have a house as big as our house. Which is big." isn't convincing me that the US isn't insecure. Not in the slightest.

"And, the simple fact that someone posted a thread about a violent act in one country should not necessarily imply an attack upon that country."

I never said it was an attack. I thought it was someone pointing out that the UK was "as bad as" the US, to ease their own insecurities.

Look, how often do the Brits post stuff like "American sets fire to his parents!". How often do the Aussies post "Canadian child sacrifices his brother to moon-god!"? I never said that the UK was perfect. I never said that Australia was perfect. We all have our faults. We just get less hysterical over them than you lot seem to.

"As I said before, it's the smug, holier-than-thou nose-in-the-air attitude we so often see from non USA'ers when discussing this subject that is being poked at here. "

Actually, that's EXACTLY what the non-USers are doing too.
You really think we're like that? To be honest, most of us don't care. The only argue because:

a/ we hope that you might entertain the possibilty that other countries do things in other ways to you. THIS ISN'T AUTOMATICALLY WRONG.

b/ it's dead funny winding you lot up. Granted, humour doesn't often translate well to type, but some of you wouldn't know "wit" if it came up and shoved a car up your arse.

c/ At the rate he's going, Omega's head will soon be able to block out the sun. This is very serious, as plants rely on the sun for photosynthesis, and since plants are the basis of our food chain, if they die, we die. So, it's in our best interests to prick Omega's head as often as possible. If we don't, then someone will have to kill him.

Oh, and one final gem from Omega...

"Of course you think I'm annoying. I can prove you wrong.

PLEASE tell me that smile means you're being sarcastic. Please?

"But at least I'm interested in finding the truth. Too bad I can't find an opponent who is as well...

*blinks*
*rereads*
*blinks again*
*leaves room*

Sorry, I've had to go and have a lie down. That was too funny. I was going to post something bitchy about "not so much finding the truth, as finding things that agree with his POV, and then sticking his fingers in his ears singing "laa-laa not listening laa-laa", but I'm afraid I'm going to have to lie down again. Jeez, my eyes are watering to the point where my contact lenses have fallen out...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Oh, please. Point out an example where someone has posted a bit of evidence or a rational argument that I completely ignored. Just one. You can't do it.

And yes, that was one of those half-way jokes I tell, earlier.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
"Canadian child sacrifices his brother to moon-god!"

Australians have no business on what we do in the privacy of our own country. Stay the f*ck out of our business and tend to your Koalas. Plus, you wear those 'tilly' hats. You people suck.

Omega: Well, quite obviously we can't, because you dismiss any argument counter yours illogical and/or irrational. You never ignore any argument that's based on facts because, since most arguments don't agree with yours, they're deemed without facts, emotional, & nonsensical outbusrts of no discussional merit.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
*explodes*

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Sorry, but I'm siding with Simon here.

*also explodes*

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
"you dismiss any argument counter yours illogical and/or irrational."

Yes. And I give my reasons, which no one ever bothers to counter. If you're interested in a legitimate debate, then defend your arguments.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'm sorry, but your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
You know what?

I can't believe how immature some people are in here. GUYS -- who cares what country we live in? I'm sure all of us wish for aspects of our own country mingled in with aspects of another.

Myself, I wish public transportation was utilized more here in the northern Baltimore area (and in the general D.C./Baltimore area as well) because, quite frankly, TRAFFIC HERE SUCKS. People can't drive. They run red lights, use a one lane road as two lanes, honk your horn at you b/c you're going to slow even though you're already going 30 miles OVER the speedlimit!

I wish more bars around here were called pubs! The only local "pub" is McShae's down towards the harbor.

I wish our crime situation was closer to what Japan has. As in: almost nonexistant. I wish I felt safe walking in certain sections of Baltimore at night (hell, in daytime I'm scared).

I wish a lot of my friends hadn't done too many drugs, and gone into rehab. I wish some of them didn't think it was ok to get slapped around by their boyfriends (girlfriend, in one case).

I wish I didn't have to hear "so-so is such a horrible person" everytime a political ad comes on the TV.

I wish people would stopping throwing the cost of World War II around. England owes us money? Stupid. England gave us (when I say "us", I mean the Allies -- the U.S., Canada, the Free forces of exiled governments, etc, etc, (where Australian forces used in Europe, or only in the Pacific?)) the best opportunity to get into Europe and stop that madman. Do none of you realize what a threat Hitler was? We all paid the cost in blood, and Great Britain did that the longest (speaking of which, the French are being real pricks if they expect the Brits to pay them back for damage inflicted during the invasion, IMHO).

Could we all grow up please?

On that note: how the British drive on the wrong side of the road is a total mystery to me ... but, hey, most of their cars are manual transmission instead of this prissy automatic, so its all good!

Jeff

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Liam:

Oh, so your "Earth logic" does NOT require you to defend your arguments? As I say, you are obviously not interested in rational debate.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Ahh, as I recall, all British, French, & other Allied war debts were effectively absolved sometime during the 80s, turned into "gifts."

Besides, remember the mass land & business buyouts back then? The Japanese were the 2nd-largest buyers. The first were the BRITISH.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Never tell a bunch of women in Liverpool that you are going to change your pants... Innocent enough in the US..... a way to get laughed at in England.
London was nice, great pubs, the Thames has several romantic spots where the lights are just right and it's quiet. Although the Rhine has more parks near it.
I haven't found a comparable spot here in the US.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
For my final post before I go back up to Liverpool, I thought I should leave some words of advice to Omega. Lord knows he needs them.

Please, Omega old chap, pull your head out of your arse and take a look at the world. It looks and smells a lot better than what you're currently staring at.

Failing that, you can continue to ignore other people's opinions/advice, and convince yourself that you are, indeed, the dog's bollocks. Which you are. But only at licking.

Your status-line is very apt. By my reckoning, you should be about as humble as a hare who has just come in second place after losing to a tortiose. There are lots of people on these forums who are smarter, older, more experienced, and better shaggers than you. Listen to them. And by listen, I mean listen. I don't mean "read, then quote selected bits". Okay? Because otherwise you're going to find out that people far less nice than UM are going to want to prick that pompous little head of yours.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Older doesn't mean smarter, Liam. Especially when it comes to you and me.

For you see, I understand rationality. You apparently do not. I respond to the points you make. You do not respond to mine. I want to find the truth. You've already made up your mind that what I have to say is utter crap, without giving your reasons. I have evidence on my side. You have naught but faulty reasoning. I try to remain civil. You result to name-calling.

Tell me: which one of us seems more intelligent, eh?

I'm calling you out. Actual, moderated debate. Chat room. Name your time and moderator. I personally suggest Charles, but that's just me. IRC seems like the best venue, but ICQ might work better. Pick one. Just so long as it's someone I know. Your slander ends NOW.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
 
OOh. This looks to be fun. I'll be glad to moderate it,(yeah, ok, I volunteer) as it will give me hours of amusement, I am sure.

Liam, please take this up. If only for the honour of Graham Chapman.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Sure, you'd find it amusing. You wouldn't be the one beating his head on a wall.

Daryus is also an acceptable moderator. Although the timezones might cause a problem. I mean, with one in Central, one in England, and one in Australia...

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Ever been in the Infantry? Now THAT is beating your head against a wall, a tree, a hill, and a whole slew of other things.....
Don't confuse intelligence, wisdom/common sense, and patience, and don't lump them in to one thing. Also, don't disregard the fact that a person may be a genius with mathmatics, but their grasp of grammar may be for crap.
Einstein could remember his Reletivity, but couldn't remember what he had done with the pencil in his hand.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
_I_ could always moderate, since, first of all, this entire thread WAS my doing, and secondly (but perhaps most importantly), I've made it a hobby to disagree with BOTH of you about half the time each, and thirdly, because I just can't get over that one time Baloo complimented me on my ability to weed out bullshit.

I can see it now:
*TWEET!* Illegal use of ad-hominem attack by the offense, penalty!
*TWEET!* Unacceptable 'guilt by association' comment by the defense, penalty!

But I don't use ICQ. *sigh*

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Well, why the heck not? You don't have to advertize your number. We could have some interesting debates, without posting them in a place where we're the only two that actually care.

But I was thinking more IRC. That way, we could have anyone who wants to watch there. 'Course, you'd have to have a way to make sure that no one would interrupt. Maybe a seperate room for spectators to talk in, so they can talk and watch in two seperate windows?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Oh, BTW, you'd be a good mod, too.

So it's up to Liam, assuming that he wants to debate at all...

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Dibs on all merchandising & concession rights & contracts!!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I hope you all realize that Liam has sod all in the way of 'net access, so he probably won't see any of this anytime soon, if at all...

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Tim's right. It's taken me over a week just to get on the 'net. Every other computer I've tried has just sat there sulking at me.

But the chances of me getting IRC aren't good, especially at a time when everyone could go.

But quickly:

"For you see, I understand rationality. You apparently do not. I respond to the points you make. You do not respond to mine. I want to find the truth. You've already made up your mind that what I have to say is utter crap, without giving your reasons. I have evidence on my side. You have naught but faulty reasoning."

Now, just imagine that this is, oh, I don't know, an evolution debate. Now, imagine it's gone on for about 134 posts. I can see about 5 people saying that exact same thing to Omega as he's just said to me.

"Tell me: which one of us seems more intelligent, eh?"

Oh, you might very well be more intelligent. I've never made any claims to having a huge IQ. Hell, it's taken me until I'm 21 to actually get to university. So yeah, you might be more intelligent. Doesn't stop you from being an arrogant twat though.

"I'm calling you out. Actual, moderated debate. Chat room. Name your time and moderator."

Sorry, for a minute there it seemed like I was in the old West. Are we settling this mano a mano?

"I personally suggest Charles, but that's just me. IRC seems like the best venue, but ICQ might work better. Pick one. Just so long as it's someone I know. Your slander ends NOW."

Oooh, I'm weally, weally scwared.

to First: "Oh, BTW, you'd be a good mod, too."

I'm really glad you've climbed out of his butt, y'know.

Getting Daryus to moderate it would be a bit unfair. Charles no doubt doesn't care. And if we picked First, I'd have to wade through a sea of dribble to get there. Unless you kept your toungue where it belongs.

But, there's a far more important reason not to do it. I actually don't care enough. I'm not going to waste my time looking up loads of pointless facts about a subject that doesn't interest me just for you to ignore them all. I don't feel the need to parade my ego around in front of everyone to make myself feel all manly. I only posted here because, quite frankly, your head has managed to block all exits to the building, and it's only so long before we run out of air. And, in my own small way, I was trying to make with the funny. This place is somewhere to hang around, to have fun. If you don't realise that, so be it. It's not gonna stop me.

Oh, and is it still slander if it's actually true?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
"Doesn't stop you from being an arrogant twat though."

Arrogance doesn't stop me from being right.

"Sorry, for a minute there it seemed like I was in the old West. Are we settling this mano a mano?"

Apparently not...

"I'm really glad you've climbed out of his butt, y'know."

You don't have many friends, do you? I mean, every time I say something complimentary about First, you think I'm sucking up...

"This place is somewhere to hang around, to have fun. If you don't realise that, so be it."

Hey, that's what the rest of the forums are for. This is the flameboard, in case you haven't noticed. You know, that place that's designed for arguments?

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
 
I will point out that rational debate is also in the eyes of the beholder. One person's rationality is another person's insanity.

No offense to you both. But stop accusing each other of being irrational and all this soap that I've mostly ignored while wading through this thread.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
quote:
"Your slander ends NOW."

"He insults my parentage, and I fall back.
He insults my Religion, and I fall back.
Not again.
The line must bre drawn HERE.
The slander ends NOW, no further.
And I will make him pay for disagreeing with me."

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"...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.

 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
*LMAO*

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Doesn't Steppenwolf sing something like that in Don't Step on the Grass?

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Found it.....

"...All will pay that disagree with me
(Please give up you already lost the fight, alright)..."

http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/dntste.html

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
*ROTFL*

Good one, Ultra. I can be a little over the top sometimes.

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