Bush, at a feel good photo-op/stopover at the Catholic Ascension School on 111th Street in South-Central Los Angeles quoted as saying:
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"I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies, rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers." Bush said that as president, he would create "an environment of freedom so collaborations such as this can coexist without fear of somebody saying, 'This isn't the way it's supposed to be.'"
So, what I suggest is that he get new speechwriters or speech coaches...cause we know he ain't dumb enough to say something that silly all by his lonesome.
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"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." -- Albert Gore
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Albert Gore
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." -- Vice President Albert Gore, 9/18/95
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Vice President Al Gore
The New Yorker quoted from letters Gore sent to his father in the 1960�s saying that anti-communism was a "form of psychological ailment.... In this case, a national madness," leading the U.S. into "supporting fascist totalitarian regimes in the name of fighting totalitarianism ... For me the best example is the U.S. Army." -- November 28, 1994.
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"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Al Gore
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." -- Vice President Albert Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93
Gore, stumping for Democrats in Minnesota, told a crowd, "They will be the education team that Missouri needs." - October 12, 1998.
Gore told Chicago Bulls fans: "That Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn�t he?"
The Times of London reports that on meeting rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party, he told her "I�m a really big fan," but when she snapped, "Yeah right, name a song Al," he said "I can�t name a song." - October 1, 1998
"We all know the leopard can�t change his stripes." -- Al Gore(The Toronto Sun, 11/19/95)
In a speech in Milwaukee praising the city�s ethnic diversity, Gore said America "can be e pluribus unum. Out of one, many." The correct translation is "out of many, one." --January 6, 1994
In a tour of Monticello, Albert asked about a row of (sculpted) busts "Who are these people?" The New York Times explained that the curator of Monticello "helpfully identified the unfamiliar faces: �This is George Washington on the extreme right,� with Benjamin Franklin close behind. --January 17, 1993.
"I seek to restore the rule of law and respect for common sense to the White House." ..."Americans in every region and in both political parties have been shaken by the betrayal of public trust ... and the dishonesty of public officials." ... "Any government official who ... lies to the United States Congress will be fired immediately."---Albert Gore, the Seattle Times, June 29, 1987.
"(Clinton) will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents." Albert Gore, White House Post-Impeachment Love-In at the Rose Garden, December 19, 1998.
Act like you know. Politicians are expert at co-opting buzzwords but Al Gore's presidential campaign still needs to work a few bugs out of its system. algore2000.com, the campaign's Web site, launched this past Monday with an area entitled "Open Source." In it Gore promised users: "This is your website -- IT'S OPEN SOURCE -- and I want you to help us build it. Take a look at our source code. Send us your ideas on how to improve it, and build a better campaign Web site."
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."--- Albert Gore on CNN�s "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" (March 9, 1999).
"Gore smiled and admitted that he, too, has trouble turning on a computer -- let alone using one." ---"Gore touts job-training programs at Pittsburgh factory" , Associated Press, September 4, 1998.
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Please enlighten me as to what exactly is so bad about this. I see nothing wrong with it. Perhaps he should have said "of bureaucracies" instead of "and bureaucracies", and maybe "exist" instead of "coexist", but exactly what difference does it make?
Here we have the fundamental difference. You attack our cantidate on the basis of extremely minor speech errors. We attack your cantidate on the basis of what he means, and what he proposes. I think we have the advantage here.
Again, the reporter (still looking for his name) still applies. Don't judge him by what he mistakenly says. Judge him by his ideas.
Jeff:
Hate to tell you this, but a number of those were apparently from Quayle, not Gore. The first four are. "Bondage" and "misstatements" are. Not sure about "e pluribus" or "Michael Jackson". Check the snopes website for more. Most of the rest are certainly Gore, though, and I'd place money on the few left.
"Any government official who ... lies to the United States Congress will be fired immediately."
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Guess the leopard really CAN change his stripes. 
And don't forget the made up numbers involving his mother-in-law and dog, his claims that he created the earned-income tax credit and strategic petrolium reserve, both of which were passed a full year before he was even elected, the "Love Story" and Love Canal lies, and the one where he claimed that he was sung to sleep as a child with a union song that wasn't written until he was 27.
And I feel like I'm forgeting one... oh, well...
Based on the premise that these are untrue claims (which you can't argue against with any credibility), I see four posibilities regarding this man, in no particular order.
A: He knows these things aren't true, and simply thinks we're too dumb to notice the lies. Not a good idea to elect someone who thinks you're stupid.
B: He knows these things aren't true, and simply can't help himself. Thus he would be a pathological liar. Again, not someone you want to elect.
C: He actually believes all this stuff, and is thus delusional. Yet again, not someone you want to elect.
D: He doesn't even know whether he's telling the truth or not, simply reading the speeches he's handed. This would require an extreme mental disability. And yet again, not someone you want to vote for.
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Ahh, you posted while I was editing!
Anyway, not most. Just a few. The majority were actual Gore.
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Anyway, speaking of speeches, Bush recently promised to make math and science education a priority. Right on, I say.
But how much do you want to bet he doesn't include biology in that promise?
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I said noting about Gore, Nader, Buchanan or anyone else or their dog running for president. Really quite interesing that rather than looking to what Bush has to say, you go after Gore.
And for your information Omega, it's the substance of his speach that I find insipid. I almost doubt you read the quote...of if you did try and understand what he's saying and where he's saying it...well, that would be a major shock to me. So again, let me spell it out for ya there Sparky.
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I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations...
No mispeach there. He didn't stumble over subliminal twice that time did he. Good for him. He's getting better...or better coaching.
So I'll ask the obvious question...since neither I nor anyone elese can really believe that...and those are the words out of Little Dubya's lips...what was he really trying to saying?
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I believe the best schools are those that are free from...bureaucracies.
Open lips, insert Dubya's words.
Free from bureaucracy? In front of a Catholic school?? Please, if the Catholic Church didn't actually invent bureaucracy then it almost certainly knew the person who did.
History - Nil
Dubya's personal version - 1
And and another question about bureaucracies for all you Bushaphiles out there...when does administration become bureaucracy?
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...an environment of freedom so collaborations such as this can coexist without fear of somebody saying, 'This isn't the way it's supposed to be.'
Somebody? Rather vague there isn't it? Who then is supposed to say it ain't the way it's supposed to be then when things ain't the way they are supposed to be?
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Stop worrying about the fact that the people whom you're trying to make fun of are indeed only human, and therefore make mistakes.
"OOooohh....he used past tense in referring to the future! Hahahahaha motherfucking stupid bastard trying to run a fucking country!!! Cocksucker!!!"
"See that!!! He used not only one, but two double negatives, and pronounced his 's' funny!!!! Hhhahaha death to the elephants or donkeys or eagles or that fat guy with the moustache from the pringles carton!!!!"
Is it me, or is this just petty?
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Omega: Gore said them too, actually. Or so the website I gleemed them from said.
Jay: Take things in context: "I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies, rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers."
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At any rate, I'm really not trying to be petty here. I'm just trying to figure out what Bush (sans little voices telling what he should say) thinks about some of the issues. Education is the one at hand.
I'm not bagging on the man because Little Dubya went to Yale and still has a very poor public speaking ability. Nope, not me cause we know that already. That don't make him bright, that don't make him dumb.
Again, I'm just pointing out, using his words which are the only ones I can go by here...that he thinks the best schools are "...free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies."
That's a heck of a policy.
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rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers.
Taken into consideration, that's simply another politicaly vague meanlingless statement tacked on to something otherwise interesting.
I know that any discussion of Bush is quickly going to devolve into an attack on Gore, but what the heck..let's try it anyway.
Like it or not, when a president gets up and speaks in public, things will be taken litterly. It is therefore important what one says.
So, what is the take on Bush's Education stance?
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Speaking of beauracracies, Jay, did you read that LA Times Magazine article about how Steve Sample took 100 million in donations out of UCLA's pocket?
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Where's the bathroom on this ship?
If he means eliminating rules in the schools to help children learn better... well almost Hippy-esk of him. George "Moonbean" Bush.
Ziyal:
No I didn't see that, but I can pull it up and take a look at it...it's very hard for me to think of the Magazine as doing actual news...it's so fluff oriented.
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Democrat presidential candidate Al Gore defended his growing reputation for falsehoods during an appearance on the "Larry King Live" program.
He told the host Thursday night, "In a campaign, you know, if you get a fact wrong, all of a sudden you are accused of committing some horrible offense."
Getting facts "wrong?" un-fucking-believable. Oops, I can't remember my own life.
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Good, then perhaps Jeff, Omega or anyone else could mention the rules and regulations he intends to "free" the wee ones from so that they can be good little students?
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There are also federal rules that try to force schools to teach exactly what the federal government says. Basically, "Hey, we'll give you $500,000 a year, but you have to teach teenagers how to have sex, and teach your first-graders with such wholesome books as 'Heather has Two Mommies.'" And people wonder why morals are on the decline...
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Actual Testimonial:
"Damn teachers, teaching us all this sex stuff. I would never have thought of it before, but I went to public school, and all I think with is my dick. Sex Education should be banned."
"Oh, and I almost forgot. Those books about Heather's mommies? Fuck those. Anything but the Bible in school schould be banned. Anything teaching tolerance should be banned. Oh, yeah, except for the Bible. That's the most tolerant book of all."
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And the PROBLEM, if you'd care to find out what you're talking about first, with sex ed is exactly that attitude. "Well, they're gonna have sex anyway..." even though there's no evidence to back that up! But since when has lack of evidence stopped liberals? And they teach that condoms are going to protect you from all the dangers of sex. Yeah, right. Like it or not, abstainence works every time, and there IS NO SAFE SEX. Teaching otherwise is spreading lies.
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And the PROBLEM, if you'd care to find out what you're talking about first, with sex ed is exactly that attitude. "Well, they're gonna have sex anyway..."
WELL, THEY FUCKING ARE!
Teenagers who aren't as fortunate as you to be homeschooled and devoid of all social interaction, (Do you know what a girl looks like? Oh yeah, that's right. You can look at porn on the internet.) sometimes stumble into situations in which a mix of alcohol and the horny, hormone driven nature of adolescence meet.
And sex happens.
It's happened before, and will happen again. It's been going on since the bginning of time. No matter what you think, teenagers will have sex anyway. Better to teach them what can provide at least a little protection than none at all.
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even though there's no evidence to back that up!
You get homeschooled again, right? Go to a public school. Despite what you may think, your mom is not the typical american high school female. Look at the girls in tube tops. Tell me that you would never think of giving them a right royal seeing to. (Oh yeah, that's right. Lust is bad. Oops.)
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And they teach that condoms are going to protect you from all the dangers of sex. Yeah, right.
Yeah, and they tell us too that Magic Beans cure cancer. I've never heard that condoms are the magic cure for STD's and Pregnancy and all that. I've only ever heard from my satan-promoting sex ed classes, that Condoms are going TO REDUCE the risk. Nothing definate here.
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Like it or not, abstainence works every time, and there IS NO SAFE SEX.
Yeah, absitence may work for us, we Star Trek geeks of the world, but I'd guess that the abstinence we adhere to is not one of choice, but the fact that for you a member of the female perusasion will never, ever want to see you naked. Not without paying first.
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Teaching otherwise is spreading lies.
Maybe, just maybe, before you gripe and bitch about something you should experience it first hand.
"But the schools have sex periods in which the students have sex, so they don't go home and have sex with heroin and crack cocaine around. They're teaching kids it's cool to have sex, and even grade them on it."
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As far as certain stiff attitudes on sex go (that I see here) I can say only one thing. Get laid.
Do it for you, your country, and your god. (If you believe in any or all of those).
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I've never asked for specifics in that detail, but eighty percent of the paperwork that teachers do is for the federal government...
I'd certainly love to hear some specifics to back that 80% number up. Either from you or your teacher buddy.
But back to the first part here...why havent't you sought out the details of the Bush education plan? You are here defending it? Seems to me that is one of the big things he's been running on...and if you are a supporter (as I imagine you to be) and a person who trumpets the Republican / conservative cause all over these boards...shouldn't you have specifics as to the rules and regulations that are holding teacher back from teaching the 55 wee ones packed into the the "temporary" trailor parked on the playground?
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Any elimination of bureaucracies is generally a good thing.
Indeed-diddly-do...Hwever, I'll pose this question:
When does an administration of a school or a school district become a bureaucracy? I think that even the most dim-bulbed conservative would say there has to be some sort of administration of schools. When in the line crossed?
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If anyone's wondering, I was amen-ing Jeff's now-deleted speech regarding the quality of sex as a loving, shared experience rather than recreation. If anyone read it and remembers what it said, I agree w/ it wholeheartedly... :-)
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Simple. A bureaucracy involves manifold levels, many of which are completely unrelated to the end goal. It's also almost by definition inefficient.
"I'd certainly love to hear some specifics to back that 80% number up. Either from you or your teacher buddy."
Will do. Just e-mailed him.
"Shouldn't you have specifics as to the rules and regulations that are holding teacher back from teaching the 55 wee ones packed into the the "temporary" trailor parked on the playground?"
Care to tell me where you got that? Even assuming it's true, it's a perfect argument for vouchers, which last I checked, Bush supported. Thanks for making my point.
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A bureaucracy involves manifold levels, many of which are completely unrelated to the end goal.
Regarding education...such as ?
Ah, we finally get to vouchers. The great conservative panacea for education. I have much to say on the subject, but it will have to wait till tomorrow as there is much work to do tonight...and many miles before I sleep. For now let it stand that I am deeply opposed to vouchers.
However, the poor teacher in the with all those kids is a great argument for class size reduction.
As to the veracity of my source, the LA Times ran a story a little while back about a school in the Valley composed wholly of trailers as I recall. I will look that up and cite you date, section and page number in the near future. As to the number of children, well that is nothing more than a number plucked from the air as one picks a peach. However, there are many schools in California that have several more children in the class room than would be optimal...and Gov. Davis is working on class size reduction as part of his first term in office.
Still, I want to know the rules we need to do away with?
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We prefer the terms "lusty groping" or "going at it like Cracker Jack".
Mostly because in my part of the world, people will tend to take your statement literally.
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Jay:
"Regarding education... [levels] such as?"
Anything involving decision-making by the federal government, for starters. Has absolutely nothing to do with educating kids, yet they can have control anyway.
"I want to know the rules we need to do away with[.]"
Well, some of the rules we need to do away with are the ones that the federal government can use to dictate what schools teach, as stated above. That's not the government's decision. ALL decisions regarding policy should be made on the local level, unless the school fails to perform under their control. Then the state should give it a go for a year or so. Under NO circumstances should the federal government have control.
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I went to high school with several young ladies whose parents were teens themselves when they were born. Sex-ed is a fairly recent concept, and wasn't happening (in the area I live, anyway) 22 or so years ago.
The parents/moral thing is a *bunch of CRAP* (sorry, guys).
I've known Carla since middle school, her parents have been married (to each other) for thirty-some years, she's got two brothers, she goes to church every Sunday, gets straight "C's" in school, and she bangs two or three guys a week if she gets the chance.
Now, I also know another girl, my best friend, Emily ... her parents have been married and remarried so many times it takes her a whole day to tell someone whose she's related to and how. Her dad yells, her mom is never around, and she was a bit of a wild girl -- dropped out of school, partied ... but through all that, she's never drinken, done drugs, or had sex. She even got her GED and is at George Washington University in DC now as a pre-Med.
Sex-education is a good thing, because, quite frankly, while having "moral" parents (and, someone please define "moral?") may be a good thing, it's not going to decide how a person is going to act.
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I believe sex education is a good thing , Having parents that can talk about this kind of stuff is a good thing but the majority of children dont have that , so either they get half or none of the story from their parents , who may or may not know the topic well , when my mother tried to have this talk with me she told me that aids could be trasnmitted by drinking at the same water fountain! I learned the truth later on in sex ed .
Or on teh other hand they can get the whole story from a trained professional who can deal with questions that will pop up.
Im 28 now and i know that when my children reach that age , I'm going to have a tough time talking about this with them. Of course I will make a good effort , maybe it will be easyer when they actually reach teh appropriate age :p Right now their 2 and 4 so im safe for a while
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Secondly;
"but the majority of children dont have that(parents to talk to about sex)"
I dispute that. Many parents talk to their kids, and if they don't, they should. The best education a person can get is from their parents. I still stand by my original post(even though I deleted it, sorry!). Sex is NOT ok outside of marriage. It is not just for recreation. It is the ultimate sharing of love between two people. It is not for kicks, or just because 'it feels good.' I can guarantee this world would be better if people abstained from sex until after marriage.
The Government has NO right to teach these things to my kids. If you're a person who wants to have the government do it for you, then you're a bad parent. Yes it is not easy, but taking on parenthood is NOT easy, nor will it ever be. A parent is responsible for a child's upbringing, not the government, and if you're not up to that responsilibity, then don't become a parent.
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Should parents talk with their kids about sex? Of course. How old are you going to let your daughter become before you talk to her about sex? 16? What about 14? Kids are having sex younger and younger every day ... try TEN ... ?
A discussion about sex isn't a one way thing. Its not just up to the parents to talk to their kids about sex. I know I sure didn't feel comfortable talking to my folks about sex -- I still don't. Its best to have a sex-ed teacher (someone besides another teen or pre-teen) to talk about sex with. I could NEVER go up to my dad and ask, "gee, dad, whats the best brand of condom to buy?" Ugh. Its not that I don't love or trust them -- I do. But there are certain subjects I don't feel comfortable talking with them about, and I know that most pre-teens/teens wouldn't feel comfortable talking to mom or dad about the subject of sex ... and THAT is why sex-ed is important ...
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Sex is NOT ok outside of marriage..
Says you. Most people don't feel that same way. Sex is really the one thing you must only concern yourself about yourself, and leave the mating habits of others the themselves.
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But, if other people don't feel that way, that's fine. Go ahead and fuck whomever is willing. Just remember to have yourself sterilized first, so there's absolutely no risk of pregnancy. If you don't, such reckless disregard for innocent lives should be grounds for expulsion from the human race, IMO...
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The idea that out-of-marriage sex is ridiculous and crazy. The idea that if you're married you'll make better parents than a couple who isn't is also ludicrous.
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As an example of a non-helpful federal regulation on schools, my father suggested the one mandating individualized in-class assistance for any and all students with any and all disabilities in every classroom.
Why, I asked, since this had seemed like a good idea to me at the time.
He replied because it is vague, and on a slippery slope, and practically, unworkable. What do you classify as a disability? Being a slow learner? If every school had to hire an individualized teacher for every even slightly diabled student, whether physically or learning-disabled, combined with Mainstreaming, this would destroy the system. They could never afford it.
Mainstreaming, as some of you may know, is the attempt to teach high achievers, middle-and-low achievers, and disabled students the same lessons in the same classes at the same time. It's another attempt to create forced equity where no equality can exist. While held up as a testimony to the brilliance of the demagogues (BY the demagogues), is is generally recognized as a failing syatem by educators with experience. It generally leads to frustration of the high achievers, because the teachers have to teach to the lowest common denominator, which can be very low indeed. It can also lead to frustration of the low achievers, when the teachers attempt to teach to an average or upper level, and they can't grasp it.
The same stratification among the students continues to exist, because the students, unlike their elders, are capable of telling the difference without feeling guilty about it.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
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E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.
I'm trying to get the hell out of here after school. I'll join a monastary, where the sex-crazed maniacs number far less.
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"...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.
So, I will say that I don't like sex outside of marriage only if marriage is defined as the couple in question's having chosen, due to their love for each other, to spend their lives together.
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"If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?"
-Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
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From the dawn of toys we came, living secretly among your cherished treasures, moving through the toy chests, until the time of the Gathering, when those who remain will battle for the prize. In the end, there can be only one ... LEGOLANDER!
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
(edit)Smartass remarks removed.(/edit)
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[This message has been edited by Kosh (edited October 04, 2000).]
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"If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?"
-Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
I'm not neccessarily responding to you, although I did re-read your post a couple of times ... the first time I read it I'm afraid I got a different story than the third time.
But mostly I'm talking to JeffRaven, who although bearing a great first name, I disagree with a bit it would seem.
So, Jeff -- gay lovers? They can't get married, should they abstain?
Jeff
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From the dawn of toys we came, living secretly among your cherished treasures, moving through the toy chests, until the time of the Gathering, when those who remain will battle for the prize. In the end, there can be only one ... LEGOLANDER!
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
However, in these days, marriage is a legal issue, and a religious one as well. I see the exchanging of vows a reaffirmation of your eternal love to that person. In the eyes of God, you are one.
At present, I have no opinion of whether or not homosexual sex is true sex, nor do I hold that it is indeed 'wrong.' So until then, I won't debate either way.
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Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000
No, it's fake. They don't really love each other and show their expression of love physically, they bake brownies. And call it sex.
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"...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.
I don't think a single thread in the FB can ever stay on topic.
LOL!
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This is a place of business, not a peewee flopphouse!
~C. Montgomery Burns
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
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E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
quote:
"Pig fucking"
We prefer the terms "lusty groping" or "going at it like Cracker Jack".
AKA Makin Bacon!! 
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"If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?"
-Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
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"...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.
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"If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?"
-Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
Very, very good. Say, are you interested in joining the Curry Order, as more than just a puny minion?
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
Vaguely on topic, I suppose you could call "true sex" the act of inserting the male member into and out of the woman's cubby-hole, and removing it again, repeatedly, for up to (and including) half a minute. And then falling asleep.
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"Why do you want to spend time with a deer? They're so stupid, they get hypnotized by headlights!" - Guido Anchovy
You kids out there who say that parents are the moral teachers of childres (I agree)...but what I wonder is how many of your parents sat down and talked with you about sex?? Talked...not watch this video, but talked.
The birds and the bees do it...that sort of thing...
My parents never uttered a word to me about the subject...and they were deeply involded in my life on many different levels.
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This is a place of business, not a peewee flopphouse!
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[This message has been edited by Jay (edited October 07, 2000).]
At least partly because I discovered his stash of magazines a long time before.
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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"Why do you want to spend time with a deer? They're so stupid, they get hypnotized by headlights!" - Guido Anchovy
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Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000
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Teal'c: "I am a traitor to no-one."
Jaffa woman: "Except your god!"
Teal'c: "False god! Dead false god..."
-Stargate: SG-1, "Into the Fire"
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"Why do you want to spend time with a deer? They're so stupid, they get hypnotized by headlights!" - Guido Anchovy
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Teal'c: "I am a traitor to no-one."
Jaffa woman: "Except your god!"
Teal'c: "False god! Dead false god..."
-Stargate: SG-1, "Into the Fire"
You should be able to have open discussions with your parents on this issue, when you first become aware of it. But spoon feeding of this nature isn't what I was getting at.
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
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Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000
What always confuses me is that people say "no, you have to have the talk with them, otherwise they'll just have sex without realising the dangers". When I learnt about sex, I kind of picked up on the "it get's you pregnent" thing at the same time. And everyone loves telling disgusting STD' stories. Genital warts are always funny.
I'm not sure where kids are apparently picking up information on sex without learning that, well, it gives you VD and stuff. Maybe. Hell, even Friends made a thing about the girls not being able to have sex because there wasn't an available condom. Is there this evil conspiracy to cover up the bad side of British Beef and Sex, telling everyone that you can bonk your brains out, and don't worry about protection and whatnot, cause it don't really matter? We should find him, and make him suffer. By giving him my sex-life! Bwahahahaha!
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"Why do you want to spend time with a deer? They're so stupid, they get hypnotized by headlights!" - Guido Anchovy
So before anyone goes damning public education for teaching a modicum of sex education
"Crikey, that looks like a picture of ovary Mr. Smith..."
"Your right Billy. The ovary produces eggs. And when Mr. Sperm meets Ms. Egg...all kinds of things start to happen! Can you say cell mitosis."
Anatomy and physiology.
It's certainly not:
"Crikey, that looks like a picture of ovary Mr. Smith..."
"You're right Billy. Now class, here is a bowl full of condoms, I'm going to leave while you students have an orgy that would make Caligula blush. And for those differently oriented, there are sheep in my office."
Doesn't happen that way.
If sex education helps do a copule of things then I am fine with it.
1) I think it helps students who do not have parents who are strong influences in their lives unstand the physiology of sex and of reproduction. Good teachers can offer answeers to honest questions than might help teens decide that the time is probably not right for them at this time in their lives to begin having sex.
2) Heck, it might just stimulate people to choose anatomy and physiology as education options and spur those adolescent minds into the next generation of some pretty good doctors. That and cutting up frogs of course.
For those students with parents at home who are involved in their lives...may goodness doesn't this offer a GREAT way for Dad to tell young Billy what the faimly beliefs are and what he expects from his son.
The communication door wide open. All who wish to step through may...others may remain ignorant at their own peril.
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This is a place of business, not a peewee flopphouse!
~C. Montgomery Burns
Our parents, crazily enough, just tried to raise us as nice, sensible people. Who would be smart enough to realise that if you poke every fireplace you meet without a fireguard to protect against spraying ashes, then you're going to get burned.
I'm sorry, that was an awful analogy. Never let me use it again.
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"Why do you want to spend time with a deer? They're so stupid, they get hypnotized by headlights!" - Guido Anchovy
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
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E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.