So, should they? Shouldn't they? With a reason, Why, or why not?
PS-This is flameboard material, as I assume the guns used to kill animals, or the Ignorant Liberal Baby Cows will inevitably get mention.
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Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.
Vote Communist Party of America 2000.
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Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000
The catch is that if we invest more resources in offing little pigs gentler (Personally I like pigs, especially piglets, despite not having seen "Babe") and complicate the execution-method furthermore then the price of the meat will go up to make it worthwhile, and then people buy the cheaper, less considerate meat anyway, and the slaughterhouses that tried to be more humane have to close.
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
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"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend."
-Yasir Arafat on religious wars
I've got no problem with rifles. God knows we've got too many deer. Shoot 'em, by all means, keep the population in check. It's semi-autmotic handguns with fifteen "cop-killer" rounds in the clip that scare me. And that's all I'm going to say about that, let us no more mention "guns" in this topic again.
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Read My Lips: NO NEW TEXANS!
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
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Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh?
Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns.
Pilot: Americans it is.
- "due South"
This is about eating meat. Not cop-killer bullets. Read once in a while.
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Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.
Vote Communist Party of America 2000.
[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited October 31, 2000).]
Yeah, pretty sick, but... I really don't care. They just taste soooooooooooo good.
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Everything in life I ever needed to know I learned from The Simpsons.
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
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E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
[This message has been edited by TSN (edited November 01, 2000).]
The ones that still are vegetarian are almost all women. I wonder why? Are they more caring, more sensitive? Or stupid winging cows who want to be special, and then spill their drink over me while I'm dancing, then laugh about it. Laugh. Laugh. The evil bitches.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
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"Unleash the armageddon,
So all the children go to heaven"
"Blue Skies Bring Tears"-The Smashing Pumpkins.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
Most of the animal rights bumper stickers I see on VW microbuses and Volvos are accompanied by "Choice!" and "Keep Your Laws Off My Body!" bumper stickers.
hey, doll, keep your trendy, self-righteous liberal morality out of my kitchen and you've got a deal.
local radio station had a long interview with a guy pushing the Vegan lifestyle (Surprise surprise-- he was also in the healthfood business)
This guy argued that humans are not made to eat meat. When a caller asked about our canine teeth, he answered, "Human teeth don't look like a cat's."
yeah, sparky, but they don't look like a bunny or a horse's either.
I'm personally waiting for all those promised breakthroughs in science that will permit the mass growth of meat-like protein strands or vegetable-tissue without the need for an acre of farmland, no cow herds, no slaughterhouses or farm labor.
Until then, it's still Babe-the-Pig and Bossy-the-Cow
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proud member of PETA: people for the eating of tasty animals
"I'm attempting to become vegetarian"
Er, pardon? Do you have to take a test, or something?
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
Since then, I've only eaten artificial food: Pop-Tarts, candy, cookies, crackers, McDonald's, that sort of shit.
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"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much."
If that's what I have to do, it'd be easy. I doubt it's proven that vegetarianism is unhealthy, but if we assume that it is, it's probably far less unhealthy than, say, eating McDonald's once a week. I do intend to eat fish or chicken once every so often (though I'd have to quit eating them first...). Besides, whatever protein you need from meat you can get from eggs.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
And wouldn't eating eggs be non-vegetarian? I mean, eggs don't exactly grow on trees...
Yes, I know that's a horrible joke. Shut up. *L*
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
Soooo...why do you want to become a Vegetarian then Tora? Is it the killing animals thing, or is it the health thing? Because while you're no doubt right about McDonald's not being the healthiest food around, you don't have to give up all meat just to avoid eating a Big Mac.
Annddd...if you are going to eat chicken, then surely that means you're not a vegetarian by a strict (or even a loose) definition of the word?
Actually, why do you have to put a label on it at all. Can't you just be someone who eats healthily, whether it be chicken, eggs, or human?
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
I was a vegan once, I lived on barley and hopps for about 6 months.
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Yep
I brought up "guns" in response to *your* opening post, "as I assume the guns used to kill animals ... will inevitbly get mention."
I simply meant to state that I've got no problems with rifles and shotguns used for hunting, so don't go off on a tangent. If you didn't want guns brought up, you shouldn't have mentioned them yourself.
Now, back to the topic ... the only meat I usually eat is from McDonalds ... and I think I read somewhere that its made of kelp?!
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 05, 2000).]
It was an humorous moment, much to the delight of all present.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
I think it depends from person to person whether vegetarians can eat eggs or not, since you don't kill anything to get it. Milk doesn't grow on trees either, but vegetarians drink it.
Liam: I'd like to be vegetarian mostly because of the health thing and some because of the nature religion thing (but not all pagans are vegetarians). But since I like meat, nor do I think it's wrong to eat it, it's kinda hard to stop (especially if you have a mandatory meal plan). And I say vegetarian because it's an easier term than "person who eats mostly veggies and some fish and chicken." I'd like to eat less carbohydrates, too, but that's even harder since the supermarket next to me only sells one type of tofu. And tofu is only good in a Chinese dish. I tried it cooked Italian style once. It was nasty.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
[This message has been edited by Tora Ziyal (edited November 05, 2000).]
Ultra: I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't mean to have it taken so literally, but the issue of firearms for hunting v other purposes comes up quite a bit when this issue is debated, so I chose to reply to it.
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
"...but not all pagans are vegetarians..."
Well, no kidding. Considering that "pagan" covers all but one religion (or, in the narrowest sense, all but three)...
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
pa�gan (From infoplease.com)
Pronunciation: (pA'gun), [key]
�n.
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient
Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
�adj.
1. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian,
Jewish, nor Muslim.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
3. irreligious or hedonistic.
Now what the heck is going on here?
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
And "pagan" does refer to Wiccans. But only because they're non-Yahwist. Trying to claim the term "pagan" as your own is going a bit far. It'd be like saying the term "Christian" only refers to Methodists, or something on that order.
If you say "pagan", and expect people to automatically know that you're talking about Wiccans, you're just using the term wrong.
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
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Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.
Vote Communist Party of America 2000.
And, BTW, meat rules. You tried barbecuing a vegetable? 'Nuff said.
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"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."
- Liam Kavanagh
*If you support Bush, then please substitute "plank of wood" for "George W Bush".
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
UM: You might've been making jest, but wiccans/pagans hate that movie. They don't endorse Blair Witch 2 either.
All right, this is a meat topic, not a pagan topic. There'll be no more pagan rants from me.
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"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein
[This message has been edited by Tora Ziyal (edited November 07, 2000).]
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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000
Were Wicans asked to endorse Blair Witch 2? Because I wasn't asked to endorse Austin Powers, even though it's obviously based on me in every way.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
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"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."
- Liam Kavanagh
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Communism. The most socialist of all the 'ism's. It's in you to vote.
Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.
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"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS
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"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."
- Liam Kavanagh