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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

On November 17th, Florida should present the final count.

Whomever wins the Florida popular vote wins Florida, thereby the election.

If Gore loses Florida, he should concede graciously. If Bush loses, well, the same goes for him.

These lawsuits are ridiculous. If there have been instances where fraud has been used, or even intimidation, they'll come back to haunt the Republican party in the upcoming elections.

Regardless of outcome, I would like to see the FBI conduct an investigation in the Florida election, with a close eye on Jeb's participation (or lack thereof).

Let me close by finishing:

GORE IN 2004!!!! (Let's make Daddy and Dubya have something else in common -- only *one* term in office!!!)

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Bored now.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Interesting. These so-called lawsuits are being filed by Democrat voters... AND the Gore campaign. I'm glad that you think Gore should concede upon the decision in Florida, and Gore himself has stated he will. But, his aides, particularly Daley(sp?), has said that even after Florida, it is NOT over, and that they were going to drag this on. And since Gore hasn't talked about it, no one knows just what he himself thinks.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

By the way, I find my new signature very funny.

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"Al Gore cost me the election." - Ralph Nader

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I think Dailey is just being stubborn. I doubt he'll have any say in the matter *if* (see, I'm just optimistic, I've already got my "GORE 2004" bumpersticker...) Gore goes on TV and says, "well, I got the popular vote, but George W. Bush is the new President of the US, congrats on a hard fought campaign, see you in four years where I fully intend to kick you out of office..."

Hopefully, Gore will keep in mind the lesson learned by Republican Ellen Saurebrey:

In 1994, she ran against Democratic nominee Parris Glendenning for Governor of Maryland. She lost, but it was a close race. She called for a recount. Then another. She refused to let the matter drop.

In 1998, she ran against Glendenning again. The margin had increased by this time, and she lost again.

Keep in mind, Glendenning (Who is doing a wonderful job, BTW), was at one point #50 on the list of US Governors ... bottom of the list ...

Its widely accepted in Maryland that Saurebrey lost the election in '98 because she was a sore loser. Well, a very sore loser. A recount can be expected, and should be expected, in races as tight as this Presidential one, and also in the race in '94.

But there comes a time when you just gotta say, "okay, you won, see you in four years."

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 10, 2000).]

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Oh, you and I both know that the only reason Al got the nod this cycle was that it was his turn. Mrs. Clinton will be up against "W" in 2004, and I bet that in the primaries, Al'l hardly get any votes.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

If Hillary does run in 2004, Hell even I'd vote for Bush. I'd sneak down to somewhere in the US, just to keep that, erm, *cough* woman, from office.

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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?

Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't think Hillary will run for the Presidency in 2004. She said she'd stay in Senate for her full 6-year term (unlike Bush, who said he'd stay in office for his term as Governor, then left to run for President).

No, Gore is already being put into place as the next Democrat nominee -- look at every speech he's given recently, he's stressed that he's gotten the highest popular vote ...

"FACEDOWN OF THE CENTURY: BUSH V GORE '04!"'

Now, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is another story all together ...

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 10, 2000).]

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I'd just plain old like to see anything other than a White, Southern United States-born, male. Anything else would really show your equality. Minorities and Females rule.

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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?

Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

IIRC, H.W. Bush is from New Hampshire. Reagan was originally from Illinois, then California.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Okay then, "Southern-US accented". Someone from Maine or Massechusetts would be cool. Pronouncing 'Boston', 'Bahstan'. I'd listen in to the adresses then.

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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?

Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.

[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited November 11, 2000).]

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Ah, Boston ...

Beautiful city. Two years and I'll be living there! Wooohoooo!

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

As an Upstate New Yorker, I'd like to point out something. New York State did NOT elect Hillary. New York City did.

Checking out the breakup, Lazio won widely upstate, but Hillary captured the NYC vote. As someone who has been shafted by NYC too often, I am moving. People wonder why NYS economy is going down.

I'd like to add something-I think the Democratic Party can find a better candidate than Al Gore for 2004. Like Bill Bradley- a bit of a liberal, but at least he has integrity.

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"Al Gore cost me the election." - Ralph Nader

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Ultra: Er... You just described John F. Kennedy... :-)

Just to be fair, let's make sure the next president is a black Jewish woman w/ a physical disability. That'll show everyone.

Oh, and she has to have bad hair.

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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Ah, the Kennedys ... as much the Democratic political party as the Bush's are the Republicans ...

And I'm proud to say a Kennedy will be governor of Maryland in 2 years!

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

She should also be a lesbian. That'll show them hicks.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Uh ... did I miss something? I thought New York City was *part* of New York State ...

Same with the Republican party. Like John McCain ...

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 11, 2000).]

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

A timeline of possible events from AP

What�s Ahead
Dates and deadlines facing Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore in their ongoing race for the White House:
SATURDAY
Volusia County, Fla., began a hand count of 184,018 ballots. Palm Beach County, Fla., election officials begin to recount ballots in four precincts. If there is a change in the count, they will then decide whether to do a recount by hand of the entire county.

MONDAY
Broward County, Fla., uses a hand count to re-tally votes in three precincts. If there is a change, it also will consider a full hand recount.

TUESDAY
Deadline for Florida's 67 counties to certify their results to the Division of Elections. Miami-Dade County election officials in Florida meet to discuss a hand recount.

THURSDAY OR FRIDAY,
depending on the county
In Iowa, the deadline for Texas Gov. Bush to request a recount by personally writing to each of Iowa�s 99 county auditors is 5 p.m. Bush lost by about 5,000 votes.

FRIDAY
All overseas Florida ballots must be received by the Florida secretary of state.

MID- TO LATE NOVEMBER
Bush can request a recount in Wisconsin, where he lost by about 6,000 votes. The state is still waiting for its 72 counties to send in their final vote tallies. Bush would have until 5 p.m. on the third business day after the last ballot is turned in to request a challenge.

NOV. 27
Official results from Oregon�s 36 counties must be delivered to the state election office. A recount may be required by a state law if the margin between Bush and Vice President Gore is less than 0.2%, or about 2,800 votes.

NOV. 28
In New Mexico, the state canvassing board, including the governor, secretary of state and chief justice of the state Supreme Court, meets to certify the election returns.

FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER
Possible start of an Oregon recount, which must be done by hand and could take at least three days.

DEC. 18
Electoral college representatives meet, usually in the 50 state capitals and the District of Columbia, to vote for president.

JAN. 6
Tentative date for a joint session of Congress to meet and count the electoral college votes. The Senate has passed a resolution to change the date from Jan. 6, a Saturday, to Jan. 5, a Friday. House members are considering a measure to do the same.

JAN. 8
In New Mexico, the deadline for the losing candidate to contest an election by filing a lawsuit in state district court, assuming the state is able to issue the certificate of election to the successful candidate on time.

JAN. 20
Inauguration Day.
Source: Associated Press

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I'm in favor of recounts in any contested state, whether requested by George Bush or Al Gore.

Frankly, I don't think GWB will be a very good president. I'm confident if he's elected, I'll be proven right. I *hope* I'm wrong, I *hope* he'll do a good job, but I don't think he will.

But this is one of the tightest elections in the history of our nation, and we've got to make sure we've got it right. Recount Iowa, recount Wisconsin. Take as *much* time as needed.

Why block manual recounts, George? Afraid of losing? Well, you haven't won yet, remember that.

Al, please tell me its Dailey threatening lawsuits and not you. When the recounts are over, if you haven't won, drop the matter.

But leave it at the recounts. And *only* the recounts.

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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

The thing is that they keep wanting recounts and more recounts and more recounts. It should be over by now :P

NYC is only a part of NYS in the way that a tick is a part of its host organism. NYC is a parasite on the rest of NYS.

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"Al Gore cost me the election." - Ralph Nader

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Now that Bugs Bunny has sawed off Florida, let's ask him to send NYC to Europe.......

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I am going to Japanese cars from now on, because the auto workers got the day off to vote and the state went to Gore.
From The Port Huron Times-Herald talk back section.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Maybe more NYS people should get out and vote then, yes?

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Can anyone say premature ejac ... er, election?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Now that Bugs Bunny has sawed off Florida..."

That was always one of my favorite cartoon scenes... :-)

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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000

Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :

*shakes her head at a few people she considered friends* Just when you think you know some people. *sigh*

Well anyway I agree with Karde. And I'm not going to pay attention to who's announced as the next president until AFTER the electoral college votes and is verified.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Thanks, Jube ... but call me Jeff

Now, here's a question: if Bush *loses* Florida when all the absentee ballots are in ... what will he do?

His campaign has criticized Gore's for threatening to take legal action, and requesting manual recounts ... will he do the same?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Short of ballot-stuffing investigations? He'll conceed, of course. Bush, unlike Gore, is a man of honor.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Omega,

You have no right to accuse Gore of that. If the election isn't over until this FRIDAY, how can you speak? Hmmm?

And I don't define "honor" as being a rich preppy Daddy's boy, or joining the reserves to get out of service in Vietnam.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

You are aware that, with the modification of running to Canada in place of joining the reserves, that appplies to Gore perfectly?

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I would say honor is not hiding the fact that you are not qualified to sit on a jury for a DUI trial, for obvious reasons.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

You're not aware Gore was in the armed services and was in Vietnam?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

AFTER he ran to Canada. His daddy sent a guy up there to bring him back, so Jr.'s dodging wouldn't ruin his political career. They found him stoned.

So you have one who was a reporter for five months, taking no risks. You have another who flew a fighter jet, taking the risk of an accident, at the least. Who did the greater service for his country?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes, a reporter in Vietnam, where (maybe you weren't aware of this) there was a war going on.

That means bullets, etcetra.

Even the back area wasn't all that safe.

So all Bush Jr. did was risk an accident? Oooooooh. Hell, I risk an accident every day driving. Gore went to Vietnam. Bush didn't. Gore had a choice in going to Vietnam -- despite how much his Dad might have proded him, it was still up to Al. All Bush did was check the "No, I don't want to serve overseas" box on the form.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Bush did crack, Gore smoked some weed ...

I'm thinking Crack is the more serious of the two.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Uh, I'm sorry...but none of y'all were THERE. If I was given the chance of heading to Canada or to Vietnam, you can bet your sweet ASS I'd be kissin' that maple leaf "toot sweet."

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I don't see how anyone can condemn a man who came here. You should have voted him in, because quite obviously, the man has good taste.

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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?

Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

And your evidence for the Bush allegations is... what, exactly? The statements of a convicted felon? And you TRUST that? Aren't you supporting the same people who tried to make a nonissue of the similar (but much more substantiated, by police evidence) accusation of Clinton's cocaine use?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, if I'd had any respect left for Omega's ideas, it would all be gone after now finding out that he thinks fighting in Vietnam somehow helped the US.

He probably thinks Cuba will soon bring down the entire Caribbean via the Domino Effect... *LOL*

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"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

*Points TSN towards Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, and other places where Communism took a foothold in the Carribean/Central America*

You think they didn't have Cuban help?

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Yeah, Gueverra died doing what, again?

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"You know, you--you let a wolf save your life, they make you pay and pay and pay..."
- Fraser, "due South"

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Oh, no no NO! Not the Domino theory. Or, as it's referred to by teachers here and in other countries, the "paranoid yanks spout bollocks" theory. Which actually applies to a lot of American politics, actually...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Speaking from a country that was ALMOST a German domino, of course...

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Oooh, the "we saved your asses in World War II" arguement. THAT's original.

Okay, I am grateful to the US of 1942 for finally waking up and realising that there was a war going on. I am grateful to the US of the modern era for Matt Groening. Happy?

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

No, just pointing out the irony of disagreeing with a theory which you happen to be an example of.

WW II is over and done with. Operation Sea Lion never happened, so the question is moot.

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

There are more than a few differences between Cuba and Nazi Germany.

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An early chat with death
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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

*looks over at Cuba* I don't see the ovens on.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

The complete lack of communism in Nazi Germany, for one.

Anyway, if you hadn't had your stupid depression, WWII might have not even happened. Think about that next time you get trigger happy on the stock-markey, boyo.

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Buy Rentway stock, NYSE or AMEX, I am not sure which, next time they let it on the exchange anyway.....

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Gohr-damn stock market!

::Blows up Wall Street::

Oh, Ritten, BTW, you've got mail...

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[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 16, 2000).]

Posted by Keziah on :

I agree with Jeff, and I also think he should agree that I think its ridiculous for people of EITHER side to attck people like ME who voted for Nader. It's not my fault I didn't vote the way everyone else THINKS I should have is it? If i hadnt voted for Nader , whos to say I would have voted at all? If you must know I wouldn't have ( at least presidentially )

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Welcome! =)

Mmmmmm ... beer ...

Hope to see you around here more often!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't attack you for voting for Nader ...

I just attack Nader =)

Just kidding. I was really pissed when Gore seemed to lose, but I don't really think it was Nader's fault. Too bad Ross Perot didn't run too and split the 'publcians!

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Posted by Keziah on :

I plan too be here more often , and with beer! ( As long as other people post! )

Deli

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